Big Brother Pizza Company ...

Scott Leffler · Guru

Big Brother Pizza Company ...

alwayswatching · Guru

Is this for real?

Scott Leffler · Guru

Is what for real? Is that a real pizza order? No. Does the ACLU think it will be like that in the future ... probably. Might it be like that in the future? It will if we keep allowing congress, the president and the state to scrap our personal liberties in the name of "safety ... and security."

Mindcrime · Guru

In the same spirit, there's a movie called demolition man which suggests in the future, anything that is harmful or dangerous becomes illegal, such as red meat, salt, alcohol, motorcycles, contact sports, sex, and anything spicy. Swearing is forbidden under threat of automatic fines and individuality is crushed at every turn. People will even have a tracking device implanted under the skin which monitors location and bodily functions. We aren't that far off from that now. And every little step Big Brother takes brings us closer. A little censorship here, a little transgression there, and no one notices. The smaller the steps, the more easily people become accustomed to the atrocities and accepting of the controls. What Congress committed today was a big step, and people noticed. Let's hope they don't become accustomed to it.

Scott Leffler · Guru

MC -

I remember that movie ... I thought it was about marriage. :)

alwayswatching · Guru

silly boy, it was!

MC is right, we are very close to that now. Think about it, how much do you use that magic bank card. We have savings cards for the stores we visit often so they can track our purchase trends. I don't even want to think about who monitors our computers.

15 years ago when I lived in the south I used to call a take out joint called tele-chef. They put you phone number into the computer and kept a file on your history with them. At the time I thought it was cool. I had forgotten about this until just now. So much for the south being behind the times!

Mindcrime · Guru

I happened upon this haunting little cartoon. It seemed to fit the future, if not the times we live in now...

Smile

Scott Leffler · Guru

Wow. Fritz Lang anyone?

I'm not sure whether your cartoon was deep and moving, MC, or completely void of meaning. But I'm certain I'll have messed up dreams tonight.

James Hufnagel · Veteran Member

Here's more. It's real, and it's happening right now.

http://www.ppin.org/

alwayswatching · Guru

What's next? What in the world could they be looking for?

James Hufnagel · Veteran Member

By taking these actions in Indiana, the Religious Right fascist task force is attempting to:

1. Undermine privacy rights, especially the privacy of medical records

2. Implement systematic intimidation of family planning clinics

The excuse is that they are seeking to protect minors from abuse. However, the AG is demanding piles of records with no probable cause for seizing any of them.

There is no shortage of stupid people in this country who are convinced that the rights of many must be trampled in order to combat the latest political boogyman.

Myself and many others foresaw this trend 15 years ago when the Supreme Court authorized dwi check points. Granting police the ability to stop the lawful progress of a citizen on a highway, without probable cause, was the turning point in the steady erosion of our rights. Now the police have "seat belt" checkpoints, and "dog sniff" checkpoints and in some parts of the country have even pulled people over to compliment them on their safe driving. Asinine, you think? Not at all. They are simply solidifying the idea in the public's mind that you are subject to search and seizure at all times under any circumstances.

So that is why we must speak out against the Indiana medical records witchhunt. Otherwise, 15 years from now, a genetic disease, a sexually-transmitted infection or a mental illness in your medical records will be a few keystrokes away.

alwayswatching · Guru

I hear that loud and clear. I have always caught flack from my kids medical providers, I refuse to give them the SS number. As it turns out, they will be treated without the number.

Mindcrime · Guru

While I'm never one to condone invasionary tactics, especially by the government (the ones who are supposed to be protecting us), do you really think that any of your personal information is not already in the governments hands?

I've never been very paranoid of invasion of privacy, because I have nothing to hide. I have yet to be pulled over and had an officer find anything wrong in my car. I've stopped for various checkpoints and never been inconvenienced for more than a few moments. If you're not breaking any laws, are checkpoints really that much of an inconvenience? And what if that checkpoint identifies a drunk driver or a drug dealer? It can certainly be taken to excessive lengths and we could have checkpoints at state lines, at city limits, etc. such as in the old soviet union. But I think the occasional public safety inspections they hold do far more good than harm.

One other thing...Records are just that: records. They are there for other people to read. Most of the 'records' this country keeps on you, you aren't allowed to ever see. So don't worry about who has your social security number. By the time you're 18, a at least a dozen people have seen it. And that number goes up every time you fill out a job application, a credit card application, open a checking account, go to college or apply for any kind of license. That's why identity theft is so easy. All someone needs to do is memorize a 9-digit number.

James Hufnagel · Veteran Member

Mindcrime:

No, I don't think all of my personal information is in government hands. Yet. Sure, they could send G. Gordon Liddy and his boys to do a bag job at my shrink's office, like they did with Daniel Ellsburg, and it's possible no one would ever find out, but at this point in time they best keep their abuses secret.

Unfortunately, the Bush-Cheney Central Scrutinizer team is working towards the day when your private records are viewable on a government web site, and when you complain, they'll say, "Oh, is this Mr. Mindcrime? We have a car in your neighborhood and we'll be searching your home in five minutes". When you complain some more, they'll say, "Look, when the Supreme Court decided we could pull over your car and question you, no one had a problem with that. And when we confiscated confidential Planned Parenthood medical records, nobody complained. So what's the problem? And by the way, is that your toilet flushing?"

Date: Wed Mar 30 1:02 AM, 2005

CHEESY PIZZA - HUFNAGEL foul!

Date: Wed Mar 30 1:45 AM, 2005

Cheese and Hufnagel

NuclearLou · Senior Member

RE: Big Brother Pizza Company ...

Date: Wed Mar 30 9:34 PM, 2005

Lou, you wrote:

Actually, Chuck used your map of nuclear WNY on the NiagaraBuzz web site and you blew a gasket over that one too. I guess there's no end to the people who wish to steal and exploit your creative genius.

Anyway, you've inspired me to write an original song in your honor. Enjoy!

I think I’m so sophisticated

’cos I’m living my life like a good homosapien

But all around me everybody’s multiplying

Till they’re walking round like flies man

So I’m no better than the animals sitting in their cages

In the zoo man

’cos compared to the flowers and the birds and the trees

I am an ape man

I think I’m so educated and I’m so civilized

’cos I’m a strict vegetarian

But with the over-population and inflation and starvation

And the crazy politicians

I don’t feel safe in this world no more

I don’t want to die in a nuclear war

I want to sail away to a distant shore and make like an ape man

I’m an ape man, I’m an ape ape man

Oh, I’m an ape man I’m a king kong man, I'm a voodoo man, oh I’m ape ape man

’cos compared to the sun that sits in the sky

Compared to the clouds as they roll by

Compared to the bugs and the spiders and flies

I am an ape man

In man’s evolution he has created the cities and

The motor traffic rumble, but give me half a chance

And I’d be taking off my clothes and living in the jungle

’cos the only time that I feel at ease

Is swinging up and down in a coconut tree

Oh what a life of luxury to be like an ape man

I’m an ape, I’m an ape ape man, Oh I’m an ape man

I’m a king kong man, I’m a voo-doo man

Oh I’m an ape man

I look out the window, but I can’t see the sky

’cos the air pollution is fogging up my eyes

I want to get out of this city alive

And make like an ape man

Come and love me, be my ape man girl

And we will be so happy in my ape man world

I’m an ape man, I’m an ape ape man, Oh I’m an ape man

I’m a king kong man, I’m a voo-doo man

Oh I’m an ape man

I’ll be your tarzan, you’ll be my jane

I’ll keep you warm and you’ll keep me sane

we’ll sit in the trees and eat bananas all day

Just like an ape man

I’m an ape man, I’m an ape ape man, Oh I’m an ape man

I’m a king kong man, I’m a voo-doo man

Oh I’m an ape man.

I don’t feel safe in this world no more

I don’t want to die in a nuclear war

I want to sail away to a distant shore

And make like an ape man.

James Hufnagel · Veteran Member

I'm Jimmy Boy Hufnagel, and I approve of this message.

NuclearLou · Senior Member

Thanks JimBobb: (Ah, the Walton's, now there was a family!)

I shore do preciate yur "song." Although, as you must know, I've little intention of reading it.

What tune should it be sung to? Bono? Liberace? The Monkey's?

Thank you for writing me a song as payment for the use of the monkey gif. Paid in full.

You're absolutely right that I blew a gasket when someone that you know used another piece of my research and creativity. Just because someone doesn't have any, that don't mean it's OK to use someone else's as their own...or maybe that's so in some folks world. My Mammy said not.

Did you think that I just dried up and went away--you were hoping (I'm genuinely hurt). So..., you got caught "Ape-Handed." Do you think I care that you used Mr. Monkey that way? Not really, actually, you're welcome to it...he feels so "dirty" now. "Dirty monkey, dirty, dirty little monkey." You can have him... Actually, I find it VERY Apropos... A monkey shaking its head! Again--LOL.

TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT--Here's a picture of when I walked from Utah to Lewiston in protest of Niagara radiological wastes!

http://deseretnews.com/dn/print/1,1442,595050084,00.html

This issue got news coverage all across the country. Just thought some might enjoy seeing a picture from this worth event and my adventure getting. It took about twelve days to walk this distance and much awareness was raised and almost $100,000 for charitable causeways.
LOL!

IT JUST DAWNED ON ME, and I might have to go back and read that "song" afterall...
The best, and only natural tune to use would be Peter Gabriel's --and yes, you've got it, SHOCK THE MONKEY...Hey wait, I think I will go back to the "song," I'll rewrite some of it, edit some other, cut a line or two and then re-record it on BananaPeel Records. "Don't you know you've got to, shock the monkey, shock the monkey.." "Hey, hey."

I wonder if Scott could get it some airX?

I'm just glad that you keep leaving these incredible posts. I think folks are getting to know us both a little better now, don't U :*)?

-- Edited by NuclearLou at 09:21, 2005-03-31

NuclearLou · Senior Member

OH, just to keep it on post with regard to the last message--

THEY are watching YOU very closely.

Nearly your every move can and will be photographed from the pizza box camera within!

I've heard things from guys that are supposed to be associated with other guys from one government agency or another, (and I've heard mention and even seen THEM ordering pizza-on-the-lake), before discussing the underpopulation of the earth, and a few other things that were very strange indeed.

No, I never heard THEM mention YOU directly by name. THEY drove a dark blue, four door Mercury Grand Marquis, or it could have been a Ford Crown-Vic though, I'm not sure. Ask the monkey, he might have seen EM around before.

*NOTE--The information contained in this posting has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of coincidental happening in anyone's life, however dramatic, so help me. So, help me.
THE MEN that were seen THIS TIME were UNARMED. They had one of those special-little-knobs on the steering wheel of their sedan, and, THEY had pinned-up suit sleeves....BUT, THEY were asking A LOT of questions about CERTAIN folks! I HAD to tell them all that I knew. wMIB

-- Edited by NuclearLou at 09:26, 2005-03-31

James Hufnagel · Veteran Member

Lou:

It's "Apeman", by the Kinks.

Also, the band you referred to is spelled "Monkees" not "Monkey's".

The Monkees, from their humble beginnings in Liverpool, were the most influential and famous band to come out of the '60's. Have a little respect.

Jim

NuclearLou · Senior Member

JimBoBBy WritES-->"It's "Apeman", by the Kinks.">

So am I to assume that you didn't write that song for ME either? You just took it from the Kinks? I'm shocked. Well, not really (but The Monkey is).

Anyway, about the Monkies..., Minkies, Monquees, Monkiis or WHATEVER. If I had known that you held them in such high regard, I never would have used them as an example. I wouldn't have made that association--believe me. Influential? What the hell kind of music were you limited to at the Institution? Closet? Influence on music in the 1960s from Liverpool...OK?

IF I were to suggest a song for you, I think it would have be a Munkiees tune called: Take the Last Train to Clarkesville.

Don't U recall the photo? It was such a fine time...oh the memories...

Was that the radiation protest or the PCP protest? You know, the one where you didn't want animals to have anesthesia, or to be unconcious during experimentation. What was THAT about? I thought that that's cruel.

And That, tha- that, tha-at's alll folks.

-- Edited by NuclearLou at 12:31, 2005-03-31

Date: Thu Mar 31 10:26 PM, 2005

If I could redirect this thread to reflect the topic as originated by Scott.

Has anyone read "Welcome to the Monkey House" by Kurt Vonnegut?

I suggest you visit the library, before it closes, and read this Vonnegut short story. It foreshadows much of what has been discussed here.

In addition, it is a source of amazement to me that a personality on local radio, originating in Lockport NY, would air the ACLU pizza delivery segment during his show, as he did this morning. Scott Leffler is a rising star, and we will all look back on these early days as our brush with greatness.

James Hufnagel · Veteran Member

I'm JimBob Hufnagel, and I approve of the previous post.