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Is it prudent and responsible to leave L-P schools where they are in light of this recent discovery? [11 vote(s)]

NO-Close and move the schools
18.2%
YES-Everything is fine and dandy
18.2%
DON'T KNOW
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Leave the children where they are and study them later in life
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Follow the Town of Porter Planning report that clearly states to IMMEDIATELY CLOSE AND RELOCATE THE SCHOOLS
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On today's Dialog show, Government Responsible for Residents, oops, that's Residents for Responsible Government, or RRG) will be making an appearance with two of its members, Mr. William Rolland (a retired US Army Corps of Engineer officer), and Mr. Tim Henderson (a Lewiston water dept. worker). Their group in Lewiston-Porter-Youngstown is actually called Residents for Responsible Government...BUT... GRR seems more appropriate! Wouldn't ya say?


RRG sued and lost (after-the-fact litigation) regarding the Town of Porter allowing CWM to expand. The expansion likely won't happen anyway now but they want folks to believe that this was a good thing--suing on a "MOOT POINT" and Closing the barn door AFTER the horse has left the building...so to speak. READ ON


Here's some truth in advertising, this was found on the L-P Save Our Schools site-


You may want to rethink this whole "Residents" for Responsible Government thing.


It will be proven shortly that there are more conflicts with this group than in a bushel basket of mismatched computer parts. These conflicts may go all the way to the White House. While the RRG group were protesting the Hudson River "phantom" PCBs, the EPA had already stated in 2001 that they were NOT destined to come to Niagara County. Please see the reference provided next. 
The Scientist Magazine, March 2001 article by Ricki Lewis: PCB Dilemma, Gov't Industry, and Public Debate Dredging-Vs- Bioremediation...--"The EPA recently announced its "preferred remedy": targeted dredging to lower the burden of PCBs that General Electric deposited in the river at Hudson Falls and Fort Edward...."


"IT (the dredging) WILL BE DEWATERED LOCALLY, THEN SHIPPED BY RAIL TO A TEXAS HAZARDOUS WASTE SITE, EXPLAINED RICHARD CASPE, DIRECTOR OF SUPERFUND FOR EPA REGION 2, AT THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION THAT WAS HELD DECEMBER 12, 2001, at the SARATOGA SPRINGS CITY CENTER."


Hmm and REALLY?



 RRG was completely aware of this fact, which is documented through a 2002 email exchange with two RRG executive committee members (Mr. Rolland, as described above and Mr. W. Choboy, a past nuclear worker and Twn.of Porter councilman). (These email exchanges are available upon request.) 


 At that time, the RRG board was asked to send a letter to EPA to find out if there was ANY CHANCE of this happening. RRG DID NOT send the suggested letter and lead everyone to believe that "the PCBs are coming, the PCBs are coming."  All the while this was happening, there were several VERY DISTURBING EVENTS THAT YOU, The PUBLIC HEARD NOTHING OF!



 NOW, RRG would like for you to believe that PCBs in the creeks from 2001-2004 are of some great concern. Not true. While it is undesirable to have these materials in our area, the levels of PCBs that were reported in the recent RRG press release could be eaten with a spoon without much health concern. Here's the REAL CONCERN, There's PLUTONIUM and a plethora of other radiological materials within ONE mile of the school...MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 50+ years! and RRG wants to go back to the "phantom" PCB routine.


 Evacuate the schools and surrounding area as necessary. There are SOME VERY WELL MEANING folks that participate with RRG. They just don't know what goes on behind the scenes.


 Radiation levels were discovered to be so bad in the 1970s, local and federal "officials" changed the reporting levels of radiation around the L-P area to the equivalent of a URANIUM MINING TOWN!


 Ask RRG or Mr. Nader about THAT little factoid, as this is the first time this information has ever been mentioned in this or any forum, other than my writing and an article I published a year or so ago. The Uranium mining town that was used for comparison, was found to be contaminated with 6000 radiological sites (paving, blockwork, basements, lawns, playgrounds, etc)--the town was Grand Junction, Colorado. Do an Internet search for "Grand Junction & Radiation."


When Mr. Ralph Nader gets here, MAKE SURE that you ask him WHY is RRG concerned about PCBs, when there's Plutonium and other extremely dangerous legacy radiological materials directly behind the schools? You may also want to ask Mr. Nader why it was that all the while Residents for Responsible Government (RRG) was protesting the "phantom" PBCs, the most dangerous of the previously known wastes at the LOOW behind the school were allowed to be Declassified/Reclassified to no more dangerous than disposing of your computer monitor!


 These High-level Wastes (as previously classified by the National Academy of Sciences), called K-65, are from the most radioactive African Uranium ore EVER FOUND ON THE PLANET.


 This and more happened JUST BEFORE the second Presidential election, and guess what, the ORDER came directly from the White House for the reclassification of these wastes left buried in Lewiston-Niagara County. That federal legislation was hidden in the 2003-2004 Energy Appropriations Bill. Where were local politicians all the while this was happening?  NOT ONLY THIS, but the wastes, High-level African Uranium wastes (Mr. Henderson's own admission)---


...WILL Now STAY BURIED HERE In Niagara County FOREVER!! Thanks for the heads-up GRR folks!


(These wastes are already leaking from the "containment site" on Pletcher Road.)  Ask the leaders of RRG why they haven't mentioned this fact while they were protesting the "phantom" PCBs. There's WAY MORE--this is only what my Dad would tell me so far. He suggests that there be a class started like he had a long time ago called, and I'm sorry if this is offensive to anyone but the class should be called "crap detection." It was once taught by an English teacher there and called just that! Don't be a sheep and just follow the leader, as you may be LEAD off a cliff.
Peace and Justice


I encourage questions and Dialog regarding this, the single most important subject facing Niagara County-today, tomorrow, and for generations to come. (The newly discovered Plutonium on that site has a half life of 24,000 years!) The very same Pu isotopes that are present at the legacy Lake Ontario Ordnance Works-Northeast Chemical Warfare Depot and potentially also in the Niagara Falls (radiological) Storage Site, across the street from the new tomato hot-house and a KOA campground, have been detected in the mouth of the Niagara River and Lake Ontario at Youngstown.  WHY NO MENTION OF THIS EITHER?


This situation has the earmark of catastrophy but RRG wants to discuss PCBs.


"HEY!" "Look over there!"


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O.K., now I understand that RRG is prone to sue, so here's my proposal: Sue me. I love the discovery process. MORE TO COME AFTER THE SHOW.


Sincerely in truth,


Lou Ricciuti



 



-- Edited by NuclearLou at 08:01, 2005-04-06

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If only one percent of this information is accurate, then there certainly IS a catastrophic situation there that RRG seems unwilling to openly and honestly present to the public. Why all the cover?


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Why all the cover up, let me count the reasons. Poelpe get involved for all kinds of reasons and a good share have a hidden agenda.


I have read the town planning reports. My take on that is that the planning board did not like the first report, so the bought a new one.



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Anyone want a slice of tomato on that summer burger?


Yummy! What are they NUTS?



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Only if the cow is from the area!

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MOOooo..ve  the schools!

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ok ,  in the eyes of the government , we are in capable of making the decision to close an entire school district , or move it .


the government has created agencies to make such decisions for us after evaluating facts  pertaining to the problems that the agencies have been created to manage .    this is not a partisan thing , the problem began during ww2 with a democrat holding the reigns , management has changed hands many times since .   so let us not look for scapegoats but instead solutions ;


      the federal CDC center for disease control , and NYS DOH department of health both track the information contained on death certificates and look for geographical areas with higher than "normal" rates of various illness or death , when they find such an anomoly their mission is to identify and solve the cause of the problem . simple enough .


however the system does not work if the death certificates dont reflect the actual causes of death , for instance many cancer deaths have actually been recorded as pneumonia deaths ;                                                                                         beginning in 2003 the format of the death certificates was changed , and now all contributing factors related to the actual cause of death must be listed on the death certificate , if this format is followed correctly areas with high incedence of cancer and cancer deaths will be investigated by CDC and NYS DOH to locate and identify and repair the cause .                                                                                           assuming the death certificates are correctly filled in . the problem will resolve itself during the next cycle of information gathering by CDC and NYS DOH .    because CDC and NYS DOH will have to operate as per the laws and regulations that they must operate under .          


    if CDC and NYS DOH dont operate according to the rules and regulations that govern them .... then it will be up to some enterprising individual to bring a case to court to force the issue .


                 Right now the single most important thing to be done is to make sure that the death certificates are correctly filled in .      sounds too simple , but if the statistics reflect the ACTUAL cancer incedence and mortality in the western ny area the government must fix the problem according to itself , dont fight the government , help it .


log on to the CDC and NYS DOH websites to locate current statistics , they show western ny has A LOWER CANCER INCEDENCE AND MORTALITY than the rest of the state and country , someone is fibbing ...


      Wise Old Mike                                                                                              


 


  


 



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My hidden agenda is i am tired of all my friends and relitives dieing.So hidden is it not?

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This topic got some major exposure (no pun intended) thanks to Lou. He appeared as a guest on the x-zone  radio show last night. For those of you that are fighting the "fight", Lou went to bat for you last night. Niagara County got the national exposure for not cleaning up it's back yard and not protecting it's children. Great job Lou!

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Quote from the thier web site:

"In The 'X' Zone we discuss UFOs, Alien Abductions, Alien Implants, Ghosts, Hauntings, Poltergeists, Government and Conspiracy Theories, New World Order, Psychic Phenomena, Astrology, Atlantis,The Theological Connection, and much more!"

Is THIS really the venue to have legitimate concerns and scientifically verifiable issues taken seriously in?!?!?!

It seems to me (in other words... my opinion) that airing your issues on this show would tend to cause many to question your agenda and cast doubt on your issues veracity.

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Glad to hear you are in my camp! I hope that I never become so small minded that I can't listen to information from all venues available to me. My opinion has been posted all over this forum even though some (sorry Scott) may consider it a liberal communist forum. Should I now question your agenda because you post here? No wait I can't do that because you have no identity, no cause and no more of my time. If one person learned one thing from last nights show it was worth listening.

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I am honestly very sorry that you feel I was attacking you or Lou. That was not my intent at all. Nor was I intending to downplay the seriousness of this issue. My poorly attempted point was actually in support of treating such important issues in a way that they will be perceievd as legitimate - AND urgent. I just think that some issues are much TOO serious to be associated with certain media venues that tend to generally occupy areas of sensationalistic entertainment.

I would tend not to tune into the Cartoon network or the Sci-Fi Channel for journalism or opinion on the Middle East for instance. Which is not to say that these aren't totally entertaining venues for certain kinds of content. I fear that important issues such as these can really lose there legitimacy by their association with media outlets whose sole purpose is to entertain - and not held in very high regard for journalistic integrity or scientific fact.

Wouldn't it be a shame to see Lou's research get marginalized by making poor judgements in choosing a voice for his message? I am concerned by his venue choice is all... not the message he conveys.

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 Hello all: (KR)


 WOW! Well, well. I go away for a few days and I'm the topic of conversation. I guess I have to stay vigilant. Good thing someone did with Always..Watching..my..back. Thanks Always. I'll Always watch yours.


 With regard to the post by "anonymous KR"


 Hi there KR. Would you mind identifying yourself to me. That way, I can explain how I was asked to be a guest, and you know, it is poor form to decline an invitation. I wasn't aware that the show is so poorly viewed by those who use squiggly smiley faces and don't sign their names.


 I am saddened by the marginalization and minimization of my important work already.


 When I went through the credits and previous show guests, I found that they ran the gamut from nuclear psychics--Dr. Stanton Friedman, to the Pentagon's expert on depleted Uranium, Dr. Douglas Rokke, Ph.D., Major (retired) US Army. The latter being a friend of mine. There appear to be many Ph.D. and M.D.s that also have been guests. All opinions and theories are welcome. 


 Why wouldn't you mention those facts and only focus on the more "edgy" subject matter or conspiracy? I believe that to be quite unfair and biased.


 Perhaps, unintentionally, you didn't mean to lay the groundwork to cast doubt or to discredit me, as you began to, before AlwaysWatch-ed and stepped in. I can't imagine that would be the intention since you called me by my first name and appear to be familiar with some of my important work. Did you notice that Dr. Rosalie Bertell is also a scheduled guest on this "X" forum? She served on the Bhopal India Medical Commission and also the Chernobyl Medical Commission. I don't mind that anyone thinks me associated with these folks.


 Did I mention that the reason I was away from the board here for a bit, was that while I was preparing to do this two hour interview, earlier in the week, dealing in a short time here with the expected death due to a brain tumor, of a twelve year old boy that will not turn 13 on his birthday at the end of the month,  and, that after recently dealing with the death of a fourteen year old boy, I traveled to another radiologically contaminated site (advancing my hypotheses, contacts and knowledge) here in North America and even presented my research information to a world reknowned geneticist, and while on the same trip, I was proposed for membership in Science for Peace by Professor Emeritus of Physics, Dr. Derek Paul, of the University of Toronto?


 Oh, by the way, and on an unrelated note, in this past week or so, while I had a little spare time, I was in contact with Dr. Zahi Hawass, Secretary General of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, Director of the Giza Pyramids Excavation, Cairo, Egypt, regarding my involvement in the return of the Royal mummy Pharaoh Ramses I to his rightful resting place back there in good old Egypt?


 So, as far as credibility goes, I am fairly certain in my steps to support all related research activities that I undertake. Now, would you mind identifying yourself so that we may communicate appropriately and with the proper decorum?


 I am sorry that you chose to ridicule the efforts at getting my important research information out about Niagara County's radiological concerns to a global audience. I did not make the original post about the show as I did not want to impose upon the group.  AlwaysWatching did, and now in retrospect, I'm glad that they did as this allows me another opportunity to speak about the subject and my findings. Again though, I am very sorry that you chose to not see the benefit of this broadcast. Please reconsider your opinion and take a listen for yourself at the archive if you've the time.


 Maybe on my behalf, you could contact the group holding the "environmental summit" today, April 15, 2005, at the Lewiston-Porter School and inquire as to why it is that I was not asked to be included on their "legitimate" panel of experts. I would appreciate any effort you could take with regard to this.


 I am also sorry that you have chosen to focus not once, but twice in your posts, on items that are more than a bit deceptive and with seemingly veiled apologies that could be perceived as not really what they appear. It is unfortunate that your second post was really no more flattering or genuinely apologetic than the first.


 Your choice of the word "Urgent" is unusual--since I began writing in 2001 of this URGENT subject in my series of articles published in Buffalo, New York's, Artvoice newsweekly magazine. I'm certain that this fact must have also eluded your memory, and therefore may not have been intentional on your part. 


 There has been no one more insistent or tenacious than myself with regard to these issues. Not others--In all venues.


 I find it further unusual and unfortunate that the only effort to date in the community, including today's at Lewiston-Porter with Mr. Nader and the RRG group, has been with the use of my research information regarding where the US Army could find Plutonium in the first place. I think that most odd.


 I sign this with the deepest regret and sorrow at your derision for my efforts and a solemn promise to do more, better and try harder in the future.


 Sincerely,


 Louis Ricciuti, researcher, writer


 The Bomb That Fell On Niagara


 For any future concerns regarding my choice of media outlet or scientific association, please feel free to contact me directly at:  Niagaranet@aol.com   Thank you.



-- Edited by NuclearLou at 04:52, 2005-04-14

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Any venue that people follow gets information out. What if some college student in Texas, who lived here at some point, is now questioning why his/her parents died of some extremely rare cancer, was listening? That would be one more informed person! That same student might then do some research on the issue. Before you know it we have one more educated brain contributing to the cause. KR, even if your message was intended to make a point it was lost on me. I feel it was vary condesending and small minded. If we limit the information based on the venue we will not inform some that should be.  That is my "urgent" post for the day.



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O.K., O.K..:
NEVER let it be said that I can't be a reasonable Joe...actually,


a reasonable Lou.
Here's the deal. I am willing to discuss this openly with "anonymous KR."
I will do this whether the KR person identifies themselves, or not.


"in support of treating such important issues in a way that they
                                     will be perceievd as legitimate - AND urgent. "



As I do NOT wish to be perceived as being negative and I want for exact science and
credibility to prevail, and, because I'm sure everyone reading this wants the truth,
… I propose that "KR" define three words above.


Then, allow me to ask just two questions in return regarding what exactly was meant by
the above sentence.


I think that is fair and reasonable.


Mr. MODERATOR? Poll?  KR? Care to respond as KR?


 


Sincerely,


Lou Ricciuti, researcher, writer,  


 



-- Edited by NuclearLou at 13:53, 2005-04-14

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WOW! Lot of words! To bad this all can not be focused as one group to do good!Just someone who stopped in!

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Just has a very good point!

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WOW! My, my..OK, now I JUST WANT to see if I got this straight...


Not enough words. Too many words.


Anonymous3 agrees with anonymous2--Too many words,


Just thinks that a group effort would be better.  Add in "anonymous KR" and


then there were three.


There's already a group in Lewiston as this thread states. It's called RRG. Please go to their Web site for that discussion.


Here's the shortest answer with the fewest words I can spend on this any more.


Get together with Alwayswatching, me-NUCLEARLOU, Scott,  anonymous's KR, 1, 2 and 3 and WE HAVE A GROUP.


What say? Short enough? If not , then you 'll just have to read on.


It only gets better from here on in. 



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       so Lou , are you going to the meeting ? the rrg meeting ?    i am not but then again i am 450 miles from the meeting location .    how about KR , is he or she going ? how about anybody watching / reading this .   at some point every body is going to have to put aside minor personal differences and work together to solve the problems here - somehow the citizens of moab utah seem to have been able to , or maybe homeland security figured anyone with a bulldozer could just push that pile of nastiness into the colorado river and forever poison the water supply for a great # of americans .     the loow site is already poisoned people are aleady croaking -   even where i am i could be affected by daughter compounds seeded by the radon gas escaping from the "sealed" containment site as the prevailing winds drift in my general direction ....


     i dont think any one person no matter how well credentialed they may be  is going to be able to put an end to this by themselves .    Lou is a walking library of information about the problems associated with the loow site - but he clashes with others who dont have his knowledge or his ability to aquire knowledge.   i can understand his frustration  .  i cant understand why i who live 450 miles away am more concerned than the thousands of local niagara county residents that actually still live in the shadow of the loow site .    i called in to the late night x whatever radio show , my cousin (300 miles from lewiston) was banging off instant messages to the host  and none of the niagara county / loow site people did .... ????    ok so the radio show has a silly host with some silly ideas but WASNT ANYONE CURIOUS ?            my mom who was a lewport teacher in the 50s and with my dad owned a house on swan road , inside the loow site died last november of a glioblastoma multiforme (brain tumor) , 2 of the 9 people that have lived in that house died of cancer , both had brain cancer at the time of their death ...  my dad worked at union carbide then linde seperating uranium ore from vanadium with a prosess involving the use of acids .... he is still alive and cancer free as i type this.


my uncle , loow site resident and fine upstanding individual ,was labled as having died of pneumonia in 2002 , when he actualy died of lung and brain cancer .


  you guys are dieing of apathy -                                         the CDC center for disease control  and NYS DOH new york state department of health , claim that cancer incedence and mortality in your area is less then the national average of 6.82 per 1000 - my own personal test group is 2 out of 9 and i know that many of you have test groups affected at much higher than 7 in 1000 .         so , why do i here nothing but silence ?


     oh yeah , NYS DOH under pressure from local groups did a revised study by zipcode of the area down wind of the LOOW site 1993 to 1997 and found certain cancer incedence and mortality at 100% greater than expected !!  happy day , now we are cooking ! then they dissallowed the study because the sampled test group was too small !!!!    


               excuse my frustration - i am a political conservative , i voted for regan and bush and even nader 1x thinking to get his butt on the ballot next time and by so doing split the liberal democratic vote tally,  kinda like ross perot did to get the traitor clinton elected , but i can work even with commies to solve the loow site problem .    so if you clash with lou's personality , tough dog poo , he knows a lot and is an asset to the cause .


     enough for now - another cousin has "low quality audio" of the rrg meeting and i am gonna hear it .


                 wise old mike -  


  


 



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Get Paulette Kline, Niagara County Health Department director on the radio show for a debate, or a question and answer period about Starpoint and Lew-Port with a limited panel and callers. Two weeks prep time. 


KLINE MUST RESIGN! 


I'll outline why, in short posts to keep the ADD folks happy. More to come.


Old Chinese Proverb: Only dumbass give all ducks in public while anonymous 1, 2, 3 and KR are around--anonymously.



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Hello Mike: Yep, I was there at the Ralph Nader RRG "Public Briefing BS Session" on behalf of everyones Mothers and kids. I had six people that actually like me along and didn't think I'm was too disagreeable except toward the "show" participants. Niagara County pokitics in general at its finest-or worse-whichever.  This subject in general sucks. The meeting was all smoke and mirrors, spin and PR. It was set up like the best military maneuveur, out the the absolute right-wing corporate military-industrial play book (and I consider myself a moderate). Wanna ask the folks I was with? Not all of them are involved here. But they might become they are so disgusted.


Mike's right about the decay daughters of uranium. That those "little buggers' very well have traveled all the way across the state 450 miles away. They travel up to 1000 miles in the slighest wind.. They would actually use the flat roads like a highway makimng them increasingly more and more radioactive as they hug the ground and deposit back to earth returning as different radioactive solids during the decay chain. But hey, that's just my smartarse talking physics. Everyone entertained?


When uranium decays into its half-life first product of radium226, the next thing it turns into is Radon222 gas. Guess why it's in our basements? Oh, but its also in Mountain Mike's front yard all the way from here in Niagara County.


Let's get closer to home though. Write a letter to the editor of the papers here urging local doctors to follow more closely the recommendations about specifics regarding cause-of-death percentages, explaining that it is their duty to keep these most accurate records and then also speak to the hospital administrators, the Niagara County Health Department, for accuracy and transparency. This letter should try and explain how you feel that these statistics may not have been to reflective of the actual mortality when compared to what is personally (anecdotally) being observed. \


Mike can explain the specifics about the death certificate figures being "massaged."


Thanks for the compliment mike,. .



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If I had 10% of Lou's knowledge I would be happy. I lived yards away from one of Niagara countys many superfund sites. I also watched my parent die young of cancer. But I'm told that these sites are safe by people like Paulette Kline. Yes she has to go! I have watched first hand while the agencies that should be protecting us look the other way. You see; here in Niagara county and New York state, corporate tax dollars are protected at all cost. Then you have all the government agencies that left their own mess (Lewport, Starpoint) for us to deal with. And what about all of the government contracts to our super fund makers. Is it any wonder these agencies don't protect us, they need to cover thier collective #$$*$ . This thread alone has a lot of knowledge, that if pooled, could be a force to be reckoned with. And what about the shy readers, I'm sure they could add some very important information. And some where in the back of my brain, I'll remember that some feel this is a liberal-communist forum, and be glad I'm part of it.


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HEY LOU THIS WOULD BE THE DUMBASS WHO SIGNED WITH NO NAME i think wow keep it short!ME you know the one with ADD.The one who gets up at 5am puts her L.D P.D.D. child on the bus!Then get child #2 on the bus!Has my own biz!Takes care of a house,Shop,Works till 5 EVERYDAY.that would be 7 days a week!Comes home paints my heart out so we have stuff to sell the next day!Then fights the pu back home!Little angry do i sound!LETS see 7 people you love be buried in five years tends to do that to you every once in awhile!Yes you have more smarts then anybody i know !BUT we are all fighting for the same thing!How bout my 17 year old that works as hard as i do at this!I WAS ASKED NOT TO COME TO THAT MEETING!..................Once again we need to work together!we all are good at some thing,,,,,,,,,,just so you know who i am ..........JENNY

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MUST correct one thing!YOU are the second smartest person !WISE OLD MIKE is!because he is always there protecting eva and I.JENNY

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Jenny, Who asked you not to attend the meeting?


I don't know who wise old Mike is, but if he was covering my back, I would be defending him too. I would like to say that I don't think we can say Lou clashes with the other groups. I have watched these groups clash for almost 6 years now. I actually tried to be a peace maker between them at one point. Now that I have them all picking thier collective brains to remember, I will try to restate what I said then and here.


The wealth of knowledge is astounding with all of the groups here in good old nc. It is unfortunate that oppinions out side of the individual groups are looked at as turf wars. You really can't hang this on Lou's head because it really has been a joint effort. At one point an attempt was made to bring us all together, along with erie county groups, to share information and resourses. This turned out to be a group that not only didn't play well with others, but couldn't play together. We have to start looking at this with different glasses. It can't be my cause and your cause, it's our cause. Niagara county is one big super fund site that needs to be dealt with. My approach may not be the same as yours, but we really want the same thing. I will continue to gain information from whom ever want's to be heard. One thing I do know is that we may not be fighting for the same site, but you may have knowledge that will help me just the same. I have always been willing to help if I am able, and still am willing. What I will not do is pick a side. My loyalties are to the children of this area, and what I can do to help them. Alwayswatching has been watching for a long time.



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