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I was having a discussion the other day with a stranger in a bar, and the topic of prostitution rose to the top. I was arguing that prostitution ought to be legalized, since it is a 'victimless' crime. No one could come up with a single example of anything in this country that was illegal to sell, but perfectly legal to give away.


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The state would never go for it. The need the fine money.

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     Keeps are schools and roads going.that would be the fine money.

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" No one could come up with a single example of anything in this country that was illegal to sell, but perfectly legal to give away.
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MC - something else that should be legalized.

Aren't there quantities of marijuana that's legal to own ... but not legal to smoke or sell? And I would assume it's probably legal to give it away. But just guessing.

Personally, I don't have a problem with prostitution. In fact, legalizing it might clean the trade up and make it less violent.

There will always be a stigma to it, though. And I'm proud to say that I've paid for a lot of things in life ... but sex isn't one of them. At least not directly.

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" MC - something else that should be legalized. Aren't there quantities of marijuana that's legal to own ... but not legal to smoke or sell? And I would assume it's probably legal to give it away. But just guessing. Personally, I don't have a problem with prostitution. In fact, legalizing it might clean the trade up and make it less violent. There will always be a stigma to it, though. And I'm proud to say that I've paid for a lot of things in life ... but sex isn't one of them. At least not directly. :)"

      we as wifes do not make you guys pay.....we just you know have to have something to use to get our way...oopsssssss

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Payment and extortion are 2 different things, lets not get confused.

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"Payment and extortion are 2 different things, lets not get confused."

       I am always cofused......But extortion works

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I have always thought so.

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The way I see it, We all make our living by selling some part of ourselves, be it our time, skills, labor, creativity, speed, athletic prowess, etc.  So selling one's body is no different than standing guard in a museum or taking tolls or making french fries.


Imagine what govt. regulation could do for the industry. Out west, where it is legal, they do regular testing and in 20 years, have not had a single case of HIV amongst their workers in the system.



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Thats impressive, I have never heard that. I don't think we will ever see it in our region. Northeasteners are way to uptight and or maybe self-rightous to ever legalize that thing we don't talk about. We just profit from the fines.

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    They could make it legal and collect sales tax,licience ...it could be endless

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"    They could make it legal and collect sales tax,licience ...it could be endless"

Don't forget sin tax.

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Dear Niagara County Legislature and local Town Councils:


PROPOSAL 


SUBMITTED FOR YOUR APPROVAL


Please consider this an official proposal for COUNTY Economic Development and IDA consideration.


 As it has been brought to the attention of certain Niagara County residents, and WHEREas, these local residents have discussed the idea of operating a [BROTHEL] in said Niagara COUNTY, and BEING THAT the county financial coffers are in poor shape, and, WHEREas, the COUNTY is in need of accompanying "Attractions" to augment the new casino and other touist related ACCOUTERMENTS, please be advised that a proposal for such enterprise [BROTHEL] is forthcoming.


Any NC Health Department guidance would be appreciated.


It is the concencus of adults over the age of majority, all resdients of Niagara County, that feel this idea could and should be looked into as feasible and "Doable."  It is my personal feeling that this would be a wonderful business opportunity and potentail for Public-PRIVATE Partnerships, if managed and handled properly and discretely at the COUNTY Level.


An equity stake would be offered to the COUNTY coffers similar to casino and waste "Host Agreements" that are currently being used in Lewiston-Porter and Niagara for various operations in these locations.


FURTHER, It is the feeling of This Proposor-


That this contract could be worth up to $5.00 (P.T.-Net Net)


We would therefore be able to offer in some cases, more monetary "tipping fees" (T.F.) and economic benefit (not-without-mention: The large number of employment opportunities this proposal affords), than some of the trucks entering the COUNTY for waste handling purposes.


It is futher the feeling of This Proposor that the COUNTY or individual towns should not scoff at this idea as -- IT IS FELT THAT


...IT shouldn't matter where the money comes from with "Host" agreements--whether it is $5.00 (five-dollars US) A TRUCK, OR, $5.00 (five-dollars US)  Per TRICK (P.T. Net Net.)


Either way, it's $5. bucks... (five-bucks US.)


Submitted for consideration to the appropriate bodies on this day-- May 09, 2005


Return address:  Niagaranet@aol.com


Signed,


FLY--


If Scott joins in this idea the Corporate Signatories could be - S.F. - Super Fly.



-- Edited by NuclearLou at 13:20, 2005-05-09

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"Dear Niagara County Legislature and local Town Councils: PROPOSAL  SUBMITTED FOR YOUR APPROVAL Please consider this an official proposal for COUNTY Economic Development and IDA consideration.  As it has been brought to the attention of certain Niagara County residents, and WHEREas, these local residents have discussed the idea of operating a [BROTHEL] in said Niagara COUNTY, and BEING THAT the county financial coffers are in poor shape, and, WHEREas, the COUNTY is in need of accompanying "Attractions" to augment the new casino and other touist related ACCOUTERMENTS, please be advised that a proposal for such enterprise [BROTHEL] is forthcoming. Any NC Health Department guidance would be appreciated. It is the concencus of adults over the age of majority, all resdients of Niagara County, that feel this idea could and should be looked into as feasible and "Doable."  It is my personal feeling that this would be a wonderful business opportunity and potentail for Public-PRIVATE Partnerships, if managed and handled properly and discretely at the COUNTY Level. An equity stake would be offered to the COUNTY coffers similar to casino and waste "Host Agreements" that are currently being used in Lewiston-Porter and Niagara for various operations in these locations. FURTHER, It is the feeling of This Proposor- That this contract could be worth up to $5.00 (P.T.-Net Net) We would therefore be able to offer in some cases, more monetary "tipping fees" (T.F.) and economic benefit (not-without-mention: The large number of employment opportunities this proposal affords), than some of the trucks entering the COUNTY for waste handling purposes. It is futher the feeling of This Proposor that the COUNTY or individual towns should not scoff at this idea as -- IT IS FELT THAT ...IT shouldn't matter where the money comes from with "Host" agreements--whether it is $5.00 (five-dollars US) A TRUCK, OR, $5.00 (five-dollars US)  Per TRICK (P.T. Net Net.) Either way, it's $5. bucks... (five-bucks US.) Submitted for consideration to the appropriate bodies on this day-- May 09, 2005 Return address:  Niagaranet@aol.com Signed, FLY-- If Scott joins in this idea the Corporate Signatories could be - S.F. - Super Fly.-- Edited by NuclearLou at 13:20, 2005-05-09"


I Alwayswatching being of almost sound mind and willful, do swear that my signature was not forced in any way to this above mentioned resolution. Alwayswatching


..we were so blue just thinking about you...



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You know you missed me. How do I post in orange?

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After us, you, me, we, I and myself, along with Dovey, MM and AM, everyone will have to post in Green... for Envy...


You guys are sweet--just trying to improve our local economy and situation :*)


LOL!


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THOUGHTS on original post "Consensual Crime"--


"Talking to A Stranger in A Bar"  Hmmm?


Remind M.C. to be careful having conversations about prostitution with strangers in bars...


What if someone was talking about prices, locations--"JEEZ Beave, without some sort of prior disclaimer, as one might just be talking to a policeman-?- Yikes, that could be trouble Wally."


Note to self: Don't try this at the soda shop, Cheer's, Mel's, Moe's...



-- Edited by NuclearLou at 13:51, 2005-05-09

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"After us, you, me, we, I and myself, along with Dovey, MM and AM, everyone will have to post in Green... for Envy... You guys are sweet--just trying to improve our local economy and situation :*) LOL! L"

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"consider..."

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"...us..."

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Originally posted by: alwayswatching

" I Alwayswatching being of almost sound mind and willful, do swear that my signature was not forced in any way to this above mentioned resolution. Alwayswatching ..we were so blue just thinking about you..."

Don't forget about me, I'm in. FC

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OK, that makes most of US. Count me in two--Or three.


You can count Roger and Harvey in also. I guess we have a quorum then..or would that be a SuperMajority with Scott?  Where is he?


 



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I offer no thoughts at all on whatever morality issues some would have with this... and to be honest, I can't see any chance of this transpiring anyway.

HOWEVER... as someone who is involved in tourism I have to say I am of the opinion that this would be a mistake of monumental proportions for the Niagara tourism market. You could legalize a lot of things if your primary objective is to find a way to get these enterprises on the tax rolls. Even if this would somehow clean up prostitution and make it a legitimate enterprise, the stigma associated with a destination like Niagara Falls becoming one of the few places in the country where this was legal would be impossible to overcome The whole character (and for many people from the world over) the very purpose and appeal of coming to Niagara would be so altered in peoples minds and to such a degree that the public relations harm would be insurmountable and disasterous to whatever market currently exists here.

Nevada is actually a very bad example for whatever positives you extract from their experience, as the destinations there are built almost entirely on the back of adult entertainment to begin with. It is well documented in the tourism industry that the attempt a few years back to turn Vegas into a family destination was a monumental dissapointment. Hence... their return to the adult market with the current advertising campaign - "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas."



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"OK, that makes most of US. Count me in two--Or three.
You can count Roger and Harvey in also. I guess we have a quorum then..or would that be a SuperMajority with Scott?  Where is he?
 
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I'm here ... and I'm in. Hookers for everyone. Oh, I'm sorry. I mean Occidentals for everyone.

*looks in pocket for $5*

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Hey Anonymous...you make some great points.


Post your name and I'll debate the pants off you.


YEAH, you're the one...Morality? Yep, I'd like to chat about that. Monumental mistakes, yep, just like CECOS Mount. How about putting this in your happy crappy "stigma" locket...remember Love Canal..well, that ain't nothing compared to what's around the pike. Wanna talk "the very character"? You mean like tobacco money? Or like Lackey, O'Laughlin, Kriebel, Scozzafava, Maggadino, Washuta, that Sheriff with the Angus and the grocery guy, the cheese fiasco, Hth in Delaware Lake--county hired him. Lets talk about the societal ills of waste and disease both....you get the picture, I hope.


 


Here's a piece of info for you--THIS JUST IN. No, really. Press Release


BREAKING local News -- NASA  09 May 2005, Merritt Island, Florida


NASA coming to Niagara


NASA-The National Aeronautics and Space Administration, Merritt Island, FL


NASA -- NASA officials announced today the plans for multiple Niagara County rocket research facilities with the possibility of hiring thousands of Western New Yorkers.


One location in northern Niagara County has been selected because of its previous use as a military site and close proximity to vast open spaces of "useless lands called Brownfields."  Lake Ontario and the Niagara River border the proposed sites to the North and Niagara Falls industrial areas to the South, said Niagara Falls Mayor, Vincenzo Anello.


When asked why this site and county was chosen, an unidentifed official within the NASA Technical Services Administrate and Real Estate Aquisition Services Administration stated that,


 "We carefully considered a number of test sites and chose these locations for our next sub-orbital facility," " Because as everyone knows, there have been more PROBES LAUNCHED there in NIAGARA COUNTY than all of them at Cape Canaveral (now Kennedy Space Center.)


END Press Release--May 09, 2005


Yep, character. Lots of em...with Global reputation already.



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