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I have made the following communication to the Niagara Heritage Partnership. I was one of the three original members of this group and the number two signatory on the NHP petition to remove the Robert Moses Parkway. Because of NHP's refusal to address the radioactive contamination along the route they wish to "naturalize," and because of the liklihood that the roadbed itself is radioactive (see: Porter Road, NF, radioactive contamination found in road materials in 2003), I now rescind all support for this project.


See below for position on "terror" at the NYSPA.


Re: Interesting way of looking at Parkway removal.


Date: 5-24-2005  to Niagara Heritage Partnership, Ms. Michelle Vanstrom, Mr. E.R. Baxter III



Dear Ms. Vanstrom:
Due to the use of fear mongering related to hypothetical and presupposed terror attacks against the NYSPA, and because of NHP's use of this tactic, please remove me from your mailing and all other lists. As the number two signatory of this effort, I now rescind my signature and support.

It is an aweful state when NHP resorts to this attempt at inciting public fear to gain an end. Shameless and despicable are the only words suitable for the current debase situation.

Sincerely,
Louis Ricciuti
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Subj: Remove my name--Fear Mongers!
Date: 5/24/2005 8:10:38 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: NiagaraNet
To: ERBAXTER, NFWHC, Niagaraheritage
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Dear NHP:

Just so you know, I will be contacting any of the signatories that I am able to from the NHP petition with regard to my removal of support and why. NHP is and has been fully aware of these genuine concerns and dangers but chooses to ignore these facts about Niagara's nuclear industrial heritage.

I am incensed and distraught that an organization that I had once placed care, concern and helped to form have taken to fear mongering to get their way. Just a note: Radioactive materials exposing people today are far more dangerous than any presupposed-hypothetical terrorist attack at some future date. The use of this tactic is base!

As W.C. Fields once said, "I don't think I want to be in a group that would have me as a member." Remove my name and support from all of your materials and activities.

After being involved with NHP from the very start, and after explaining these local atomic issues in great detail over the course of several years to your communications chair, Mr. ER Baxter, III, I find absolutely no interest from your group for the health and safety of your fellow community members and I will not participate in activities that have no real social value such as the Niagara Heritage Partnership (a misnomer).

Please consider this my official resignation in writing from the member roles of NHP.

Sincerely,
Louis Ricciuti

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From NHP Petition  5-24-2005
Name Address City State/Country Comments
2101. Louis Ricciuti 1234 Main St. Niagara Falls-Lewiston NY


As the number two signatory on this petition, I am now rescinding my entire support for this project due to the likelihood of radioactive materials within the parkway roadbed and known radioactive materials seeping from the face of the Niagara Gorge due to Manhattan A-bomb activities and legacy manufacturing facilities located within feet of the Niagara River. Niagara was the free world's largest ore-to-metal URANIUM production center. This was not known when this petition was started. NHP has also recently resorted to "fear mongering" with regard to the remote potential for terrorism and NHP desire to have their agenda met by removing sections of this contaminated roadbed. REMOVE MY NAME AT ONCE!


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  • Clearing of Vegetation
  • Introduction of non-native species
  • T&E impacts
  • Acres of Disturbance
  • The ancient trees in the gorge, another issue that should be explored. Moisture levels in the gorge have been impacted by the power project and we don't know the long term impacts.

 

Soils/Geology


  • Soil disturbance
  • Erosion

2.  Niagara Escarpment Relicensing funds could be used to establish the Niagara Escarpment as a critical environmental and geological corridor.

Water Resources


  • Eighteenmile Creek, Cayuga Creek and local creeks, and streams and tributaries be referred to this committee for consideration.
  • How has the Niagara River changed since the construction of the power project?
  • Naturalize Gorge Lands under NYPA
  • Review diversions owned by NYPA and impacts on fish and wildlife
  • What are the current impacts? What was lost?
  • The NEPA process was not around when the Plant was built
  • Think long term next 50 years
  • What has been dumped on the property and will seep into the low land wet areas (swamp lands)
  • Degradation of water quality and aquatic systems
  • What watersheds are in the project area, Watershed Impacts
  • River habitat impacts
  • Non-point Source Pollution - Water quality of streams, creeks, canals, and rivers should also be considered.
  • It is hard to verify what has changed in the river due to lack of documentation.
  • It will be hard to make comparisons without records or studies of before and after.
  • Some impacts include introduction of non-native species, and out wash of construction material.
  • Indications of some of the work showed a change in water chemistry, which may have impacted food supply and spawning areas for Blue Pike.
  • Watersheds
  • Waterways
  • Water Uses
  • Water Front Issues
  • How has the Niagara River Changed?
  • What has been the effect on water levels since establishing the Power Authority?
  • The fill in the upper Niagara River that was used to built the Parkway, impacted spawning habitat for fish and this proposed project could help compensate for some of this lose of habitat.
  • Drainage Impacts an example big Tonawanda swamps now lakes due to drainage of areas used for developments related to the University of Buffalo. Squaw Island and Strawberry Island were wetlands at one time. There has been an overall change in drainage and hydrology due to development in the area.
  • There was a question as to whether radioactive elements were being looked at during any of the studies.


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<Because of NHP's refusal to address the radioactive contamination along the route they wish to "naturalize," and because of the liklihood that the roadbed itself is radioactive (see: Porter Road, NF, radioactive contamination found in road materials in 2003), I now rescind all support for this project.>


Lou,


How are you going to clean up the radioactivity unless you remove the Parkway?




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-- Edited by NuclearLou at 20:05, 2005-06-05

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Lou-ie, Lou-ie, Lou-ie, Lou-ie,


Lou-ie, Lou-ie, Lou-ie, Lou-wa,


We accept your resignation from NHP.


What exactly is the "NYSPA"?


Why haven't you been involved in the relicensing process, or attended a single meeting over the past two or more years? It would have been the perfect platform for your crusade. The perfect opportunity to address all of your toxic concerns, and hundreds of millions of dollars to act on them! Public comments on the relicensing PDEA are due Friday. Are you going to take advantage of the opportunity? Why don't you post your comments on the Forum so we can all see how you dish it out to the Power Project?


<I warned the group of this tactic in the past as not being a sound argument.>


Lou, we haven't seen you at a meeting in years.


<If you MUST close the parkway section over the plant, wouldn't NHP also suggest then the closing of N. Military Road which also crosses the forebay?>


We've never made a secret of our agenda regarding Parkway closure. Our agenda does not detract from our argument regarding the terrorist threat.


<How do you plan to remove this material without first testing to see what levels the milling is from a radiological perspective?>


Sure, we'll test it. Let's even assume it's radioactive. Where would you have it, next to Whirlpool and Devil's Hole State Parks, and the hiking/biking lanes, and the climbing wall and the Power Vista, or properly landfilled?


<Were you aware of this unilateral and capricious allowance?>


Are Slaughter, Clinton, Schumer, Maziarz, and DelMonte aware? Is the Bush administration aware? Is Niagara County aware? Is State Parks, DEC and the EPA aware? or are they just ignoring you?


<How would you plan to address the gorge wall seeps from places like Bloody Run, Hyde Park Landfill>


We have been. That's not my particular interest, so you'll have to contact NHP's "senior members" for elaboration. I do know that we have some documents from EPA that you'd cream over.


<Your senior members have had ample opportunity to address this privately and with all the appropriate professional opinions, which by the way, have been for the most part provided to your communications chair and others within the group. I have the email receipts.>


Jesus. Really sorry about that. Why don't you submit a payment voucher.


<I thought perhaps it was just you making these claims and statements>


If it was just me, that would make the arguments invalid, of course.


<In the event of another "red Alert," all traffic should be diverted east toward Lockport--in order to get to Lewiston, because after all, someone could A. Drive to the backside of the reservoir, along the reservation and cause much havoc. So that route could not be used. Would you suggest Townline Road at Community College? Shawnee?>


Commuters would use the 190, after having passed through a checkpoint. It's done this way all over the country, check it out.


Sledding hill ?!?


<Because of my knowledge and experience locally, I would still be ammenable to discuss this at length with your NHP--of course, all of it in writing for record keeping sake.>


Sorry, just count us among the latest bridge you're burned.


I hope you're "ammenable" with that.


 


 


 



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In answer to a few of these for the moment---


I think the following was not needed and rather like, Na, na, na, na, na...but I will not go there. K?


JAMES HUFNAGEL WRITES--


Lou-ie, Lou-ie, Lou-ie, Lou-ie,


Lou-ie, Lou-ie, Lou-ie, Lou-wa,


We accept your resignation from NHP.


What exactly is the "NYSPA"?


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Mr. Hufnagel, thank you for accepting my resignation from Niagara Heritage Partnership. I am assuming then that the resignation has been accepted by the entire group. I will consider your closing remark, as you speaking on behalf of the same. I thank you and the NHP group for all of their efforts--up to now.


Since Niagara Heritage Partnership is involved and a "Stakeholder" in, as Ms. Vanstrom states in her letter to the editor, the New York State Power Authority (NYSPA) relicensing arrangment, I leave this as my answer to your NYSPA acronym question.


Sincerely,


Louis Ricciuti



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Not to pick on any one poster, because that would not be nice (ok Dovey & Scott). But I have a question for Mr. Huffy, Where do you plan on putting all of this hot pavement after you test it and dig it up? I hope you don't want to put it near that school! That would be a really bad plan, and then Dovey would stop being nice. Bad plan.

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Lou,


Hundreds of millions of dollars for toxic cleanup!!


Your comments on the public record!!


Why don't you show everybody what you're made of?


Submit your comments to niagararelicensing@urscorp.com


Comments are due Friday.


I'll be posting my comments right here on the Forum. Will you?


 



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Mr. Hufnagel:


All of my concerns were given to the Niagara Heritage Partnership for presentation during relicensing. Are you now telling me that none of these issues were brought to the attention of the FERC group?


I will submit my series of articles THE BOMB THAT FELL ON NIAGARA via the email address you provided--thank you. It will then be up to FERC or whatever agency is involved for interpretation.


How was this not an issue with so many nuclear facilities that dot the landscape of Niagara County including all along the rim of the Gorge? There were more than one million copies of Artvoice magazine that circulated between 2001 and 2004. That's not including the limited coverage local press gave issues such as the historic "private-commercial" nuclear workers, like at Simonds Steel in Lockport, since it was revealed in 2000, that these locations handled atomic materials.


I am more that a bit puzzled by the fact that I would be needed to "testify" when Niagara Falls, New York, was the free worlds largest Uranium manufacturing center for the same US Energy Department that holds the FERC licensing procedure.


I guess one could say--"Go figure." So much for our local leaders and official environmental agencies.


Louis Ricciuti


 



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Mr. Hufnagel and Niagara Heritage Partnership:


In a posting here, Mr. Hufnagel stated--


"I do know that we have some documents from EPA that you'd cream over."


Mr. Hufnagel, since you believe these documents to be important to "my crusade," which of course is to eliminate these radiological materials from our environment, WHY THEN, would you or someone else from NHP, NOT ALREADY provided these documents to me?


I'm rather taken a back to find this out now, as you stated, it being only days before the comment period closure!  This seems counterproductive to the health and safety of the community.


If you would, or someone from NHP, please be so kind as to mail those documents to me immediately in care of Scott at the radio station--if Scott wouldn't mind, as I don't wish to leave my address here. Do you mind Scotty? You said you'd help.


Thanks and regards,


Louis Ricciuti



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<Mr. Hufnagel, since you believe these documents to be important to "my crusade," which of course is to eliminate these radiological materials from our environment>


One more time:


How are you going to clean up the radioactivity unless you remove the Parkway?


<If you would, or someone from NHP, please be so kind as to mail those documents to me immediately in care of Scott at the radio station--if Scott wouldn't mind, as I don't wish to leave my address here. Do you mind Scotty? You said you'd help.>


I do wish: 225 Ontario St., Wilson.


Knock on my door.




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Mr. Hufnagel:


Thank you for the offer. If you provide a time, I will send a courier for those documents.


Thank you again (even at this date).


Louis Ricciuti



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-- Edited by NuclearLou at 20:07, 2005-06-05

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"Mr. Hufnagel and Niagara Heritage Partnership:
If you would, or someone from NHP, please be so kind as to mail those documents to me immediately in care of Scott at the radio station--if Scott wouldn't mind, as I don't wish to leave my address here. Do you mind Scotty? You said you'd help.
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Lou,

Gladly. Just so long as "documents" isn't code for "illegal narcotics, guns and falsified drivers licenses which will get Scott sent to Gitmo so they can flush HIM down the toilet."



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At least you'll have something to read...

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Mr. Mindcrime: And the purpose of your post was to what? To criticize?


What about that mile I need to walk?


I've read O-plenty on this subject. Why the snide remark?


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Your a brave one Mr Scott. I don't think you answered my question Mr. Huffy. I'll try to go slower.    Where   do   you   plan   to   put   all   of   this   hot   pavement?


I have a couple of complaints:


     "I do know that we have some documents from EPA that you'd cream over."


     Jesus. Really sorry about that.


Do you really think we care to read these tasteless and or offensive comments? Let try for a bit of decorum, this is a family site. Clean up yuor mind and your postings please.


 

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AW: Thanks for your comments--however, I'm more upset that the Niagara Heritage Partnership held back documents important to all of our health and safety. I am still awaiting a time to send FedEX for the document pick up, but Mr. Hufnagel does not seem willing to give a time for that P/U--thereby delaying this even further. I do not wish to be the one to pick these documents up at Mr. Hufnagel's house in Wilson--about a 60 mile round trip for me...or about $10.00 in precious fossil fuel (remember environmetalism?), as opposed to a simple postal stamp a few weeks ago.


I'll wait until the end of the day before beginning to call this obstructionism.


Mr. Hufnagel, a time please that's convenient for you?


Sincerely,


Louis Ricciuti


 



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If he drops them at the station, I could bring them to you. I have to be out your way later.

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"Mr. Mindcrime: And the purpose of your post was to what? To criticize?
What about that mile I need to walk?
I've read O-plenty on this subject. Why the snide remark?
Lou Ricciuti"


Mr. NuclearLou - I think MC's post was a joke about my previous post ... but I'm just thinking out load here. I don't think it was meant to be a snide anything.

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Well now. It seems that Scotty has drawn undue attention to the guns, drugs, fake licensing, and illeagal bobble-head import scheme between Me and a certain Wilson resident (Where's the Documents?).   Darn you Scott!   You ruin all the good plans. Next I was going to get an alien immigrant working at the radio station, gonna call the new show--Fez Sez...but that's another thread.


I guess I still don't get the "reading" comment from Mindcrime. Unless you were talking about reading on the toilet?


>"Lou, Gladly. Just so long as "documents" isn't code for "illegal narcotics, guns and falsified drivers >"licenses which will get Scott sent to Gitmo so they can flush HIM down the toilet."
>"Scott Leffler


 


With you being the NUMBER ONE NIAGARA COUNTY Free Speech (mostly) Talk Show Radio Host--


DO YOU THINK FOR ONE MINUTE that I would do such a thing and have you whisked off in the night  to No-Man's Land--or worse, the XZone?


>"which will get Scott sent to Gitmo "


No my friend, we may disagree, but I still Love You. Listen to your promo.


As Telly use to say--"Who really love's ya baby?"


Cheers and quit pizza-in me off will ya...


LR


Pss-Go back to your last post and check words...:&*)


Was that Freudian, or, do you have one of those Medacaid prescriptions? I'm just writing out loud here.



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   ok , so   how about the info from the EPA -  ?  how is it that we cannot contact the EPA directly with a FOIL request and get the same info , of course that will take time .   


   and if funds are limited which they always are why are we discussing doing something with a road bed when there is a school operating on an known existing radioactive waste dumpsite .    thing s like this need to be prioratised [spelled wrong ]    prioritised   ?  any way ;   apply kiss .[ keep it simple stupid ]   which thing , which event , which project is likely to save more lives and provide the most benefit for the people involved ,     


               clearly the solution is to remediate or isolate the radiactive waste dump UNDER / AROUND an active school site    FIRST .


SO I GUESS I WILL LOOK ON THE epa WEBSITE FOR THE DOCUMENTS ? http://search.epa.gov/s97is.vts?action=FilterSearch&QueryZip=%28robert+moses+parkway%29&ResultMaxDocs=200&Filter=qcheck%5Fexp%5Fnlf%2Ehts&ResultTemplate=meta%5Fresults%5Ftrymefirst%2Ehts&QueryText=%28robert+moses+parkway%29&Collection=All&ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&button1=all&button2=       so i dunno if included in this lot is the right one ? but that is all that shows up . in the EPA site . 2 pages of PDF files .


       in the meantime ?   Mr H  what do you hope to gain by not sharing what you have ? we are all on the same side here , are we not ?       We are all Americans , none of us want to see needless death or suffering of our own people      ?    do we   ?     I  DONT .     some of us may rub others the wrong way BUT  - that does not mean we dont share a common goal .   



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I know you don't mean me .. :*)


"some of us may rub others the wrong way BUT "


That's right--Where are the documents Mr.Hufngle?


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"Well now. It seems that Scotty has drawn undue attention to the guns, drugs, fake licensing, and illeagal bobble-head import scheme between Me and a certain Wilson resident (Where's the Documents?).   Darn you Scott!   You ruin all the good plans. Next I was going to get an alien immigrant working at the radio station, gonna call the new show--Fez Sez...but that's another thread. I guess I still don't get the "reading" comment from Mindcrime. Unless you were talking about reading on the toilet? >"Lou, Gladly. Just so long as "documents" isn't code for "illegal narcotics, guns and falsified drivers >"licenses which will get Scott sent to Gitmo so they can flush HIM down the toilet.">"Scott Leffler   With you being the NUMBER ONE NIAGARA COUNTY Free Speech (mostly) Talk Show Radio Host-- DO YOU THINK FOR ONE MINUTE that I would do such a thing and have you whisked off in the night  to No-Man's Land--or worse, the XZone? >"which will get Scott sent to Gitmo " No my friend, we may disagree, but I still Love You. Listen to your promo. As Telly use to say--"Who really love's ya baby?" Cheers and quit pizza-in me off will ya... LR Pss-Go back to your last post and check words...:&*) Was that Freudian, or, do you have one of those Medacaid prescriptions? I'm just writing out loud here.-- Edited by NuclearLou at 13:25, 2005-05-25"
Gee, Sorry Lou, but I just can't find time to transport I mean pick up those documents for you. I'm sure you understand. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. And for the record I never think out "load", at least not in public. Have you recieved those documents yet?

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