Scott Leffler wrote:

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 Yeah, but PT, those are evil commie fashist libral pinkoe skumbag countries that love the tera-ists. Maybe you should move there!!! Okay - sorry. I couldn't help it. Someone was going to post such a response. I thought I might as well do it first. BTW, like my spelling? (just trying to stay in character).

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Well thanks for beating me to it Scott, I love to point that out. But really, personal opinions aside, why was this country founded? I always thought that our founding fathers wanted a democracy free of religious interference. They didn't want the "government" dictating what they believe and where they should do it. Now fast forward a few hundred years and our government makes these types of decisions based on how they interpret the bible. We have become the morals police. It shouldn't matter if our politicians are for or against this issue. It should come down to personal freedom of choice.

mike of the mountain wrote:

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The good stuff begins in chapter 20 .  also leviticus.

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And Mike, you follow the laws of Leviticus closely?

How does that go: judge not let ye be judged.

 

I agree!   ..

Laura Schlesinger is a US radio personality (I do not listen to her, I listen only to Dialog with Scott Leffler), who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. On her radio show recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination, according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

The following response was an open letter to Dr. Laura. - Jim H.

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Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22
clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual
uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most
women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord -
 Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a
lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there
'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to
admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play touch football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as
does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend).
He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary for us to go to the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.

Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

shughes wrote:

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nit wit wrote: How does that go: judge not let ye be judged.   I agree!   .. Hey look at that. nit wit is official. Welcome nit wit, and I'm glad you agree or we might have to stone you as well.

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As long as they are rocks from the same pile,in the same field,with the same farmer,using cotton gloves,not on  a sunday,mondays are good,.......uuuummmmmmmthanks

Scott Leffler wrote:

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mike of the mountain wrote: The good stuff begins in chapter 20 .  also leviticus. And Mike, you follow the laws of Leviticus closely?

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              do you think you can judge me ? or that i can judge you ?  no to both questions .      

if you read leviticus you will see certain things are not to be a allowed ever , punishments are to be delivered to the society that condones certain behaviors .  it is not up to me ,i did not write the laws ,  i did not judge anyone , i will not be the one to punish the law breakers  .

      everyone will be punished or rewarded based on their choices in life . you have read the law , make your own choice .   we are all free to choose our own paths , that is the way it works .

look in dueteronomy 4;1,2

4:1 And now, O Israel, hearken unto the statutes and unto the ordinances, which I teach you, to do them; that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, giveth you.

4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

  keep on reading the text to see what happens if the above is not followed and remember that the above was delivered to the israelis before their people were scattered across the earth and their country was destroyed and handed over to their enemies , all because the israelis failed to follow the law .        do you think we are any better than they ? they were / are the "chosen people"  . 

 "he who does not learn from his mistakes is doomed to repeat them ..."

Mike,

My point was that a thorough read of Leviticus will show that there are an abundance of "rules" in that book that almost no-one follows these days. And if you're a good Christian, there isn't a degree of sin. Sin in sin. Period. If you're using Leviticus, you've got to use all of it. And I'm not casting stones.

Scott Leffler wrote:

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Mike, My point was that a thorough read of Leviticus will show that there are an abundance of "rules" in that book that almost no-one follows these days. And if you're a good Christian, there isn't a degree of sin. Sin in sin. Period.[by saying this you are making a judgement and applying it , you are not allowed to do that ]  If you're using Leviticus, you've got to use all of it. And I'm not casting stones.     

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what is a "love offering" ?

gays have the choice to live as gays or not .  i feel  no obligation to help them to live as gays .

     countries ,cities , states etc  have been destroyed because they allowed gays to flaunt the laws of the creator - i do not wish to see our society destroyed for the same reason .   what is the benefit to our society ?

anger the creator and risk destruction like sodom and gammorah or like the residents of israel before moses  , so that we can have gay people feel special ? 

so i must choose between angering gays or angering the creator ? easy choice for me .       i dont judge them ,but i wont accept the wrath of the creator so that the gays can be gay .      they make their choices , i make mine .

Mike, have you tried not being homophobic?

Aww boy. I could post for 3 hours on this, but I'll try to briefly sum up.

1. Gay rights are not a religious issue. I don't care what your religion tells you, because it doesn't apply here. Stop quoting the bible. Just because you believe in something, doesn't mean it's right for everyone.

2. If marriage is threatened by anyone, it's heterosexual, 'traditional' couples. They're the ones ruining things for everyone.

3. Gays are not interested in 'marriages' per se, but a civil union which would grant them the same rights as hetero couples enjoy. Things like health insurance for your partner, tax benefits, power of attorney, that kind of thing. They're not concerned with all the nonsense the religious zealots spew.

NW,

I don't do this often, but I laughed out load ... alone in a room ... when I read your post.

Anonymous wrote:

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I see the war on Christianity continues to escalate. Let's keep the playing field level shall we MC?  Marriage is a religious matter, because it's a sacred instituion based on religious beliefs.  Gay & lesbian unions will only serve to weaken the institution of marriage and further dilute the sanctity associated with it. I won't quote the Bible here, because I don't see the need, but it does refer specifically to homosexuality as an 'abomination.'

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Anon,

Oddly, I think your post actually supports MC here. "Marriage" IS a religious issue. I agree. And just as religion has no place in government, goverment also has no place in religion. So the state should not deny a marriage licence ... or for that matter have any licensing to do (are the confirming that God bonds these people in holy matrimony?). In other words, if a church wants to marry two men ... or two women ... or a man and his pygmy horse ... what role should government have? None. Government stuck its nose in this and gave special privelidges and benefits to married people. Homosexuals who aren't married ... and can't marry ... are being discriminated against when government won't extend those benefits. IMHO.