shughes wrote:

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Could you please explain this with a bit more detail. I know they are a radical group, but how do they employ environmental terrorism?

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Maybe it wasn't the best choice of words, but how would you describe some of their tactics ... examples:

Land Rover incident

BLM arrests

UK incident

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While I support their goals, the ends DO NOT always justify the means. I've also heard of numerous occasions where Greenpeace defaces public and or private property ... and vandalizes equipment that was meant to be used to do logging projects the group opposed.

Thus, my declaring them "environmental terrorists." Again, maybe a poor choice of words. But my point was that they sometimes operate outside the law and so I could see why the FBI would watch them ... whereas, I've never heard any instance of the ACLU doing any of this type stuff.

If you hurt people,animals,public and or private property,then you are a terrorist,

Anyone that causes fear is wrong

since when is the aclu a law abiding group ?   news to me .

Scott Leffler wrote:

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What do you all think of the revelation that the FBI is keeping tabs on the ACLU and other law abiding organizations? Does this seem a little over the top to you? I can understand surveilance on organizations that break the law. Or are anti-American, but the ACLU is neither. Greenpeace, can at times be questionable - they do like to employ environmental terrorism. But the ACLU?

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The history between the ACLU and FBI is interesting. The ACLU has secretly collaborated with the FBI at times, once voluntarily turning over its own membership list. Read Gentry's book "J. Edgar Hoover: the Man and the Secrets".

When you look at the FBI's history, you realize why Eleanor Roosevelt once publicly called them "The American Gestapo". Forget the mafia, the FBI is the single longest-lived, pervasive organized crime syndicate in the history of the country. The list of private citizens they have ruined in the course of their 70+ years of existence is stunning.

Just to give you a couple of examples, the FBI used to keep track of the freedom riders during the Civil Rights bus rides of the '60's. They'd phone ahead to the local Klan, who would meet the buses and systematically beat the hell out of anyone who got off. The hate mail they generated and sent to Martin Luther King is legendary. Their express purpose, as revealed in memos of the time, was to drive him to suicide.

Hoover had dope on every president from Roosevelt to Nixon. It got to be hilarious. A new president would summon Hoover to the White House to fire him. Hoover would emerge two hours later with the president announcing that Hoover was graciously staying on for another four years.

For example, Hoover had extensive tapes of JFK having sex with his girlfriend during WWII. Not much of a problem, except the girlfriend turned out to have been a Nazi spy. How would that have gone over during the 1960 campaign? That kept Bobby Kennedy, who hated Hoover (the feelings were mutual) in line for an entire decade.

The illegal burglaries, phone-tapping, mail-opening, smear campaigns, hate mail, harassment, false arrests, evidence tampering and on and on and on that the FBI has perpetrated against labor unions, political activists and just average citizens over the course of the last century makes it ill-suited to watch over our country's security.

Jim Hufnagel

 

 

 

So who keeps the file on the FBI? The ACLU may be vocal, but that doesn't make them terrorists. The good they do for the every day people far outweighs the negativity press they get. How many times a day do you think they make one phone call on someone's behalf, that stops government bullying?

Anonymous don't be concerned about MC. If they really are a vampire, they only come out after dark. Just stay near the streetlights and you'll be fine. But MC you are justly afraid, he wants your title as king.