Town of lockport Dems - (and entire county)

clinger · Member

Town of lockport Dems - (and entire county)

Scott Leffler · Guru

clinger wrote:

Why would they run a guy for legislature that was running on a bet?

Next year might be another good election, if Maziers (spell?) tells his boys on the town board that they will appoint Norris, it will open the door again.

Good post.

But a couple quick questions?

Who was running on a bet? And What do you mean on your Norris comment?

Date: Wed Nov 9 1:51 PM, 2005

I found what Clinger was talking about in the Lockport Journal

"7th District

Joseph Chiappone: Chiappone is unprepared to take on a job in the Legislature. He hasn’t done any homework on county issues and has no ideas about where the county is going or how it should get there. The fact that he has the backing of the Democratic party and has been endorsed by the CSEA union should be a source of shame for both groups. Chiappone, who said he’s not worried about stepping on toes, admitted that he’s running on a bet. After consulting with friends, they challenged him to run, and that’s the one reason, we believe, you will see him on the ballot Tuesday."

As far as Norris could it be that he will have to run for election in November if they appoint him, and maybe town people would be mad enough to vote for someone else since he was appointed after moving in the town a few months ago?

Scott Leffler · Guru

Anon,

Thanks. I thought that's what clinger meant on Norris. Wasn't sure though.

And I didn't read that article with Chiappone. I would have voted against him just for that. I'm surprised Updegrove didn't make a bigger deal out of it.

Date: Thu Nov 10 7:37 AM, 2005

I think Updegrove knew he had it locked up and why start any fireworks.

So do you think the town democrats get it about Erck or not?

niagaranow · Veteran Member

I overheard a conversation about "running on a bet." I don't think it was an actual bet, it was more of a proding thing. In other words, if you aren't happy with the way things are, run for office and try and change it. I think the word bet was used loosely. It was more of an egging-on than anything I think.

More people should stand up for their convictions. If you don't like something...do SOMETHING to change it! "Put your money where your mouth is!" So you lose? Big deal...at least you tried!

That's all that matters.

Jim Hufnagel · Senior Member

I'd sooner support and vote for someone who was honest and publicly announced that they were "running on a bet", than I would some megalomaniacal manipulator whose sole purpose in public life is accumulating power and building a political empire to financially benefit his friends.

spindoctor · Member

I don't think they get it, or ever will. When the Dems realize that this "union" town is in fact far from it, maybe they will begin to understand the mind of the voter.

Date: Wed Nov 16 7:35 AM, 2005

Yes - but I do think our union town is ready for somebody to get on the town board that won't be a yes man.

Do the dems have anybody in the town that could run? They can't re-cycle a very tarnished Brad Erck again and expect to win.

Date: Thu Nov 17 5:48 AM, 2005

OK, enough. Let me ask the spindoctot & clinger if they live in the Town of Lockport? If so, are you dems or just happy to see your posts? If you are dems - you need to step up and run for office. Give Rock Wagner a call he is your chair for the towm dems and he can get you ready to run for office next year. It takes a great deal of time getting all thing in order, so you can have a chance at winning. DO NOT take this wrong - running for office is not for everyone, you need to be will to put yourself out in public for @ssholes can write about you. Then you have to go door to door and if lucky the GOP and the little senator won't care about your race and he won't put up his money to keep that seat on his side of the fence.

SO, before you get on your soapbox - you better stop and look at yourself and maybe you will have the backbone to run.

anonymouse · Novice

Keep up the good work! The little prince no longer wants the seat in the town of Lockport, he,s saving himself for something bigger! WOW! He says his professional opportunities resulting from his law degree. can't wait to see how we all will benefit from this.

Date: Sun Nov 27 6:53 PM, 2005

I for one am a republican but I want to see some two way discussion on the board, I'd like to see a democrat on it.

I see Norris says he doesn't want the job, I would think that will make it tougher for the dems to win.

I hope they don't try and recycle Erck again, no one trusts him. Wagner doesn't even do any campign helping anymore. The dems need some new blood, I do hope they find it.

They'll probably run Erck or Chiappone again though, that seems to be about all they can do.

John Villella · Member

Let me get this right. A person steps forward to run for office and he's the problem, but some of you hide behind your posts. Get a backbone and sign your name to your posts! Mr. Chiappone ran for office for several reasons. First, he didn't believe a one term legislator should get a free ride. He also did this as a favor to all of us other legislative candidates. Trust me (wait this is what Rick U. tells us all the time) Joe is not a politician, but he knows enough to get involved for the betterment of the community. He also kept people busy during the election cycle, so they can not help in other races if they have a free ride.

It’s OK for the GOP and friends to shove candidates up voters’ backsides – Just look at the past election. As much as people complained little was changed, and in most cases it got worst.

Also, shame on the local paper for not doing their due diligence. They wrote about issues and called elected officials names “yellow”, but when the smoke cleared they supported most if not all the same junk that in my opinion has caused the problems we have today. I wonder if the thousands of tax dollars we pay for legal notices has anything to do with this. The paper can not have it both ways! They either need to write the facts and call people out for doing something stupid and then hold them accountable or just continue to write stories, so the public can read and feel comfortable with themselves. Maybe someone could do some investigative reporting – what a concept? The paper has the nerve to write the following - “The fact that he has the backing of the Democratic party and has been endorsed by the CSEA union should be a source of shame for both groups.” Let me ask the following – did the paper see or take part in the endorsement process for either of these two groups? I don’t think so. Before the paper places shame on either group they should look at their own house. I saw and filled out the papers questionnaire and I took part in the endorsement process, believe me they have a ways to go.

Date: Mon Nov 28 10:34 AM, 2005

Those opinions are why you got TROUNCED so bad in the elction.

The paper said shame on them because Chiappone said he was running as a result of a BET!!! It wasn't for any of the other reasons you said.

I supposed you think Erck is trustworthy too......

Go ahead, keep running the same people and wasting your money.

Date: Mon Nov 28 11:50 AM, 2005

and aren't you the same Villela who went against his party lines and supported Grear, who also got trounced?

I think you need to pick a new hobby, and get out of politics.

kspeer · Senior Member

Too bad Mr. Vilella can't slam you back. I'm sure if he knew who you were, he could.

John Villella · Member

Ok anonymous - you got me. I lost my election. At least I have the fortitude to post (using my name) an opinion based on facts and also getting involved in the election process. I see the two anonymous posts just can’t accept that. The reason Mr. Chiappone ran for office is as I stated. You have no idea what you’re talking about! As for Erck – read the post, I didn’t mention his name.

The next time your cowards post something do me a favor sign your names, so everyone can be accountable for their comments - or you can keep on living in never never land.

Thanks kspeer!

Date: Mon Nov 28 9:13 PM, 2005

Oh thats great - you are thanking a guy who uses 2 different id's all the time, and even argues with himself! He's really truthfull with his names!

You are a great example of why the democrats do so crappy around here. Instead of backing your party, you chose to back an un-qualified puppet candidate being run by a former sheriff who got ran out of town instead of your own party candidate. You are supporting a guy who by his own words ran on a bet. If he was so concerned with the race why didn't he do any of the newspaper interviews or come on Scotts show?

NO WONDER DEMOCRATS CAN'T EVEN WIN THEIR OWN PRIMARIES!!!!

I don't give my name because I am a republican, I do want the democrats to shape up though the town needs some competition.

With your stupid opinions though, I certainly hope you don't get to involved in your parties leadership.

And as Scott said, this forum doesn't require names, if you don't like it, leave!!!!!!

shughes · Senior Member

With all due respect oh faceless one, I think you are referring to jspeer not kspeer. You may want to check on that.

Scott Leffler · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

I don't give my name because I am a republican ...
And as Scott said, this forum doesn't require names, if you don't like it, leave!!!!!!

Second point first. I don't require names. If you choose to be anonymous, so be it ... but your opinion carries less weight with most of the regulars if you choose to remain so.

Now the first point. Huh? Are you afraid of reprisal here? Cause a decent percentage of the posters here are right-leaning. Or are you afraid of your own party? Cause that's a bad sign.

Thanks for visiting. Come back soon.

Mindcrime · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

I don't give my name because I am a republican, I do want the democrats to shape up though the town needs some competition....And as Scott said, this forum doesn't require names, if you don't like it, leave!!!!!!

I don't think the town needs anymore competition, it needs less. The reason Niagara County is a veritable laughing stock is that you republicans AND democrats can't work together. Why not just merge your parties into one conglomerate bunch (the "Republicrats" or maybe the "Demoblicans") and actually accomplish something useful for a change. You're all embarrassingly dysfunctional and incapable of action because you're constantly bickering, plotting and mudslinging. It's bad enough that you make laws designed to keep anyone else out of the game. This is why people want a third choice, like the Libertarians or the Green Party. People like you treat New York politics like a Spy vs. Spy episode. Knock it off.

As for the sign-ins, I like that you can post anonymously, it helps newbies get a feel for the site. But after you make a few posts, why not get a Screenname? It's STILL anonymous.

-- Edited by Mindcrime at 07:41, 2005-11-29

Date: Tue Nov 29 7:42 AM, 2005

Yes, you are right I do not want to anger the gods that run our town right now. But I have contributed to this thread because I also would like to see some healthy competition in the town, I think it would do some good.

It's too bad though that the democrats don't seem to get it, or get what it would take to win an election.

Date: Tue Nov 29 7:51 AM, 2005

re:

" With all due respect oh faceless one, I think you are referring to jspeer not kspeer. You may want to check on that."

Here is why I thought the speers were one and the same - if I'm wrong sorry -

RE: Channel 4 at the Ulrich City Center

Anonymous wrote:

"Why do people post anonymously to attack people?"
How about I get a whole bunch of user names and argue with myself? Does that sound familiar Speer??

I have 2 user names JSpeer and you can guess my other one. And as far as me liking Dick punch... I guess if I admit to being with your mom too. I have tasted dick punch but not knowingly. How was I to know she was tainted by soooooo many.

-- Edited by jspeer at 13:33, 2005-11-20

Date: Tue Nov 29 7:59 AM, 2005

Mindcrime,

I think we have some extremes around here - like the county which is way to argumentative and could use some 'togetherness", the city of Niagara Falls which appears way to democrat, and the town which is way to republican. Healthy discussion is good, it brings up alternatives. Constant arguing is bad, people dig their feet in way too deep, and no discussion leads to too many back room deals.

I'll take your advice on an id.

Scott Leffler · Guru

JSpeer does have two sign ins (at least, I think), but KSpeer is not one of them. She is the kind thoughtful woman who's stuck with him.

As for a sign in name for you ... how about WannaFixThings or MakeItBetter or something along those lines.

As Mindcrime pointed out, requiring sign ins immediately scares people off and falsely inflates numbers (cause people would sign up just to check it out and then never come back), but when we try to figure out which anonymous was which, it gets confusing. So get yerself a sign in. Sit down. Have some coffee. And help us fix things.

BTW (self-serving plug), if you want out of that vengeful party of yours, you should consider checking out the Niagara Libertarian group on MySpace. I'd like to get 10 members and then I'm planning a little get together to see if we could really make Niagara County better or if we just have to be spectators to the stupidity that both major parties employ.