You cannot honor what you don't respect. And all GWB seems to respect is money and power.

 You are wrong Mike. It does make a difference. Has nothing to do with what he said. It's where he didn't say it at. His not being at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier was a slap in the face to all who have lost their lives for this country. Leave to GWB to break tradition and think it is ok. I'm from the "Old School," and grew up in a family who supported the military and lost several relatives to WWII plus had cousins interred in a POW camp for 3 years. Those men and woman deserve the utmost respect, and only GWB would think it was alright not to give them the full honor they deserve. Words do not speak as loud as actions. Again...he's rude, crude and unworthy of holding the office of the President."

http://www.nationalreview.com/document/bush200511111418.asp 

there is the complete text of the president's speech , for those of you who have not heard or read it .     this is not the speech of "feeble leader" .   this is  a great message from a great man.    

the fact that  he chose to deliver the speech from somewhere other than a monument to veterans [where my father served as an honor guard ] does not detract at all from the wisdom and sincerity  of his words.  

   now we watch the media and "feeble" demoncrat "leadership" demonstrate their own foolishness and weakness of mind  by claiming ;

"they were tricked into voting for the war "  by our uneducated hayseed of a president .  if our great President is so feeble minded , how did he trick these wise old demoncrat masters ? their very argument reeks of stupidity .     but wait ;

sometime early in 2006 senator chucky cheese schumer will let us all know the great plan the demoncrats have for all of our futures .... oooh , i can hardly wait to here that , maybe it is the same secret "plan" that John Kerry claimed he had [and never revealed] for all the problems of the USA.

and senator kennedy preaches that "the rebublicans in office can't learn ethics overnight"  it is a life style type of thing .       of course he doesn't bring up the subject in Chappaquiddick where he left a young woman drown after a night of drunken revelry . 

  just my humble opinion . 

      

"the fact that  he chose to deliver the speech from somewhere other than a monument to veterans [where my father served as an honor guard ] does not detract at all from the wisdom and sincerity  of his words."

 You are missing the point Mike. It isn't what he said. The world is becoming used to the lies and embarrassment he causes, and fewer people everyday are paying attention to what he says. His integrity has gone caput, and he is becoming a laughing stock. Every week there is something...and it comes from his stupidity.

 The point is, he didn't take the time....... The time to honor our Veterans the way they should be honored. This was NOT a message from a "great man," it was a speech of excuses of why we are still at war. It was a speech to set in motion, excuses for his buddies, including "Scooter" and a speech to set in motion the legal means to keep his a$$ off the witness stand when Scooter goes trial. Read between the lines and listen with your ears and not your heart.

 If you think he is a great President, that is your right. I feel differently, and it's because of his arrogance all throughout his Presidency that I find him offensive and crude. You know his famous quote about fooling him how many times????? Well he fooled the USA once too many times.

mike of the mountain wrote:

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...some have stated the president lied to involve us in a war ,  ok , show me where . i dont think you will be able to and in fact a bipartisan commitee has just completed another witch hunt exonerating the current administartion of any such lies .   but ,  show me if you can ...

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First Bush and his administration claimed that Saddam had WMD's. When we didn't find any, he changed his story to say that Al-Quida was based in Iraq. Then it was to spread freedom. The reason for invading changed every 2 months. Finally it became the Global Struggle Against Terrorism, which gives us the right to invade pretty much anywhere we like.

If it's a physical papertrail you're looking for, the Downing Street memos are proof enough that Bush wanted war at any cost. Including the 2,061 which he doesn't care about, and the many more to follow.

i dont think i am missing the point here , although this may be an agree to disagree moment ;  some have stated the president lied to involve us in a war ,  ok , show me where . i dont think you will be able to and in fact a bipartisan commitee has just completed another witch hunt exonerating the current administartion of any such lies .   but ,  show me if you can . 2061 american soldiers have been killed so far in iraq but ; unsaid is the casualty figure of one more alqaeda attack here in the US ,  which has not happened . thanks to the policies of the current administration .     also unspoken is the number of al qaeda now dead, killed in battle with our military who will not be coming to our country to attempt an attack .

the debt we owe to the 2061 can not be measured .

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Is the above some future form of an Ebonics language you are preparing us for?

I don't care what this political message is. I'm a studying English major and these postings are offensive to me. If I were a Psy. major, I'd also be concerned (turn and run!). Here's why. The writer isn't using a recognizable form of the language. Next, this guy will be writing right to left and expect us to follow along. I think that says a lot about the writer's opinions expressed on the board here and his opinion of us. This is, that the writer doesn't care enough of what we (world readers) think of his opinions to even use a common form of the language and punctuation. Thank you very much. I'm sorry if this is too direct but it seems as if the writer just doesn't care what anyone else thinks and is not overly concerned if we are even able to understand. Sorry writer, try using capitols, commas and periods like the rest of the United States of America uses.

Please, at least take the time to start a sentence with a Cap. Or, end a sentence with a period, like this, in American English.

"capitols"

What kind of capitols? State? Sorry, it's just funny when someone complains about grammar then uses the wrong word.

MOTM, you seem to put a lot of faith in biased websites like FactCheck.org. Maybe you should find some balanced sources to back up your silly claims. Try FactChecking FactCheck.org and find out where their funding really comes from...

George W. Bush, such a lightweight president that he doesn't even read, is accusing others of rewriting history. How would he know? Bush's handlers, who still include that teetering humpty Karl Rove, propped up the POTUS in front of a huge, Soviet-style "Strategy for Victory" slogan in Pennsylvania yesterday and directed him to say the following:

The stakes in the global war on terror are too high, and the national interest is too important, for politicians to throw out false charges.

And what would those be? I wonder. Bush said:

While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began.

Pause here for crowd applause. (You don't think Bush gave this speech just anywhere, do you? He was speaking at the Tobyhanna Army Depot.) He continued:

Some Democrats and anti-war critics are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war.

They're right, and Bush is a liar.

If you want to get technical about it, Dana Milbank and Walter Pincus of the Washington Post break down just how he lied, but they're a lot more civil about it, stopping well short of wagging their fingers in his face. Here's a segment of their analysis from this morning's paper:

National security adviser Stephen J. Hadley, briefing reporters Thursday, countered "the notion that somehow this administration manipulated the intelligence." He said that "those people who have looked at that issue, some committees on the Hill in Congress, and also the Silberman-Robb Commission, have concluded it did not happen."

But the only committee investigating the matter in Congress, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has not yet done its inquiry into whether officials mischaracterized intelligence by omitting caveats and dissenting opinions. And Judge Laurence H. Silberman, chairman of Bush's commission on weapons of mass destruction, said in releasing his report on March 31, 2005: "Our executive order did not direct us to deal with the use of intelligence by policymakers, and all of us were agreed that that was not part of our inquiry."

Bush, in Pennsylvania yesterday [November 11], was more precise, but he still implied that it had been proved that the administration did not manipulate intelligence, saying that those who suggest the administration "manipulated the intelligence" are "fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments."

In the same speech, Bush asserted that "more than 100 Democrats in the House and the Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power." Giving a preview of Bush's speech, Hadley had said that "we all looked at the same intelligence."

But Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President's Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country.

That's assuming that Bush even occasionally glanced at the material that his staff secretary — you know, what's her name, the star of the Harriet-Got-The-Gate scandal — allowed to even cross his desk after Vise President Dick Cheney saw it.

The Bush administration seems to still believe that all they have to do is deny something to make it a non-issue.

 

 

             

It is the VETERAN, not the preacher,

who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the VETERAN, not the reporter,

who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the VETERAN, not the poet,

who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the VETERAN, not the campus organizer,

who has given us freedom to assemble.

It is the VETERAN, not the lawyer,

who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the VETERAN, not the politician,

Who has given us the right to vote.

And GWB hasn't helped much with any of this. They couldn't even find HIS records!

mike of the mountain wrote:

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it is John Kerry the traitor....who wont release his records , not GWB ....GWB is leading , our military is following , enthusiasticly i might add , I openly support our great president and our military and all those who have served in the past !

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I went to FactCheck.org for you, their analysis was inconclusive, but obviously a gap in his service while hiding in the National Guard remains. Strangely, I couldn't find anything on Kerry being AWOL during his time in combat.

People in the military are not following Bush, they follow orders. A buddy of mine once explained that in a situation like Iraq, there's really only 2 ways to lead people: You can overwhelm them with superior technology and firepower; or you can chug the local beverage, bite the head off a snake and yell "Follow me!" Bush ain't no snake-biter...

Nor is he a leader. Leaders have new ideas, inspire progress and advancement and act for the good of the people he/she leads. Bush has not done this. He's a cowardly, double-talking bully who has all the qualities and tendencies of a 10-year-old who just found his father's gun. He's not a leader. He's not even a follower. But I wish he'd get the hell out of the country's way.

mike of the mountain wrote:

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quoted from unknown source ; " Lead , follow , or get the hell out of the way ! "   

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This is just mindless, macho, Marine Corps BS. It's a phrase designed by souless yuppies, right up there with "No Pain, No Gain" and "Just Do It."  You know what I do when I see that slogan on a t-shirt?  I obstruct.  I get right in their way.  And you know what happens every single time? They go around me...losers 

Bush just thinks hes a leader. He's really just a pompous figurehead; a pale, misplaced buffoon looking to others for everything, just like his whole life. He needs help with his speeches, his debates, his decisons, his policies, I'll bet he can't even dress himself. Hah. That's why he thinks of himself as Emperor, every morning someone gives him his New Clothes.

Phantom wrote:

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mike of the mountain wrote: quoted from unknown source ; " Lead , follow , or get the hell out of the way ! "    This is just mindless, macho, Marine Corps BS. It's a phrase designed by souless yuppies, right up there with "No Pain, No Gain" and "Just Do It."  You know what I do when I see that slogan on a t-shirt?  I obstruct.  I get right in their way.  And you know what happens every single time? They go around me...losers  did you ever consider that some of those individuals were trained to go around you .... they have no need to demonstrate their skills on yourself , or they have been ordered not to , be thankfull of that .

 

Bush just thinks hes a leader. He's really just a pompous figurehead; a pale, misplaced buffoon looking to others for everything, just like his whole life. He needs help with his speeches, his debates, his decisons, his policies, I'll bet he can't even dress himself. Hah. That's why he thinks of himself as Emperor, every morning someone gives him his New Clothes. this is more of what ? your opinion ?  no facts ? do you really think the POTUS can not dress himself ? how do you support that statement ?

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moving right along ;

allow me to assist , you guys are going the wrong way , silly insults unsupported by facts are going to gain you little to nothing .  but here is a problem that the administration is handleing incorrectly for reason unknown to me , possibly related to oil dependancy from saudi arabia more likely  choice c i dont know. 

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=20150 

last week , hearings were scheduled to bring saudi arabia to task for their role in sponsoring the activities of al qaeda around the world and the spread of wahabyisim  which is the islamic version of the nazi isim . [these two groups were allies for a short while during ww2 as documented by J. loftus]

American lobbyists hired by saudi arabia influenced the state department to withhold their people from the hearings , as a result the hearings fell apart and saudi arabia was not brought to task for this on going offence .   

                      now , there are some facts , there is a problem . is this the fault of President Bush , no , not directly , but it does need to be brought to his attention and it does need to be addresed - now - why has the media ignored this ? why have the demoncrats ignored this ?     the right has not ignored it but no one is listening ..... ?