I never put down what was in the ground.Being a lput person myself I know full well what it has done.My Relitive worked at the LOOW so I know first hand what it can do and how it kills.This AM alittle pued at smoking ,do it myself.We have a scare in the little family we have left.................so I am lost for anymore words

i went to lewport - until 3rd grade -   my mom taught at lewport - until i was born - i feel good , but she died of a glioblastoma multiforme (brain tumor) 11-08-2004.

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 Mornin Lou,Saw the post,went to all the call #s for the T.V. channels.To check on it.Does not sound good.......Go to wixt.com....we just had a fire at a old rycling plant.They were still workin there.Down wind sucks.

http://www.ratical.org/radiation/SecretFallout/SFchp6.html

From: Chapter 6 The Hidden Tragedy of Hiroshima

In fact, for all of Japan, leukemia rates rose sharply by 50 percent between 1946 and the early 1950s, just as Dr. Stewart's statistician, David Hewitt, had originally observed for England and the United States. This was followed by another sharp rise as of 1959. And just as the rates had turned down again in Hiroshima and Troy, they declined again throughout Japan to half their peak intensities four to six years after the temporary moratorium of 1958-61, proving that these rises had not been due to such factors as improved diagnostic methods or increased use of medical X-rays, as some had suggested.

The last major argument against the connection between the 1953 rainouts and the rise in leukemia in Albany-Troy had disappeared. By now, some three years had elapsed since my last attempt to get additional data on the Albany-Troy-Schenectady area from the New York Health Department. I sent another letter to Dr. Lade in a final effort to obtain more detailed and up-to-date information. Within a few weeks, the following reply arrived:

Doctor Sternglass, Sir:

I would be most willing to provide you with the data you request in respect to the occurrence of leukemia in children in the Albany-Troy-Schenectady area if there were any reason to suppose that they had sustained a significant exposure to fallout radiation. In my letter to the editor of Science, 141, 1109 (13 September 1963), I pointed out that children on a milk diet in this area at the time of 1953 could not have had a significant exposure. I fail to see, therefore, how further data could be "valuable for our understanding of low dose rate effects." JHL

Reluctantly, I began the preparation of a final paper for Science, based on the incomplete data from Lade's brief letter of 1964.

It appeared unlikely that Science would publish the Albany-Troy paper in the near future, so I decided to present my findings at the forthcoming annual meeting of the Health Physics Society, to be held in Denver, Colorado, in June of 1968. This professional society had been founded in 1955 by Dr. Karl Z. Morgan and a few other physicists who, since the early years of atomic energy, had been concerned with the health aspects of this technology. The society was officially dedicated to "the protection of man and his environment from unwarranted radiation exposure." Over the years it had acquired many members who were professionally engaged in safety planning for nuclear weapons tests and nuclear industry activities.

Dr. Morgan, one of the most widely respected individuals in the health physics field, had himself become a controversial figure in recent years, due to his outspokenness regarding the widespread use of inadequate ... (Dr. Morgan, was Karl Z. Morgan, 30 year director of health and safety at Oak Ridge, Tenn. Ops.--author of The Angry Genie, a Very Good Read, I suggest).

Calculation of the Estimated Lifetime Risk of Radiation-Related Thyroid Cancer in the U.S. from Nevada Test Site Fallout Lifetime Risk of Radiation-Related Thyroid Cancer

        Nuclear fallout doubled DNA mutations  fallout doubled DNA mutations

        USA Today - Fallout likely caused 15,000 deaths to Yucca Mountain

         Fallout likely caused 15,000 deaths to Yucca Mountain

     Despite clamor, fallout study still unreleased

           fallout study still unreleased

             Nuclear fallout likely took a deadly toll on America

IEER - About 80,000 Cancers in the US, More Than 15,000 of Them Fatal, Attributable to Fallout from Worldwide Atmospheric Nuclear Testing

About 80,000 Cancers in the US, More Than 15,000 of Them Fatal, Attributable to Fallout from Worldwide Atmospheric Nuclear Testing

Fact Sheet on Fallout Report and Related Maps

Official Fallout Maps (-2.35MB)

Nuclear Database / Tables United States Nuclear Tests

July 1945 through September 1992 DOE/NV Revision 15 December 2000

US Atmospheric Nuclear Tests Database    

United States Nuclear Tests July 1945 through September 1992 DOE/NV Revision 15 December 2000
US Atmospheric Nuclear Tests Database  
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> Book Examines Nevada Test That Left Fallout in Troy, N.Y.
>
> April 18, 2003
> By MATTHEW L. WALD
>
>
> Fifty years ago this month, a nuclear bomb test went awry
> in the desert near Las Vegas, and the result was fallout
> and a substantial radiation dose in an unexpected place -
> Troy, N.Y. A new book on the subject relying heavily on
> declassified documents shows that the Atomic Energy
> Commission moved quickly to limit public exposure to
> radioactive fallout near the blast, while the exposure may
> actually have been larger in Troy, a city next to Albany.
>
> The test, code-named Simon, occurred on April 25, 1953,
> atop a 300-foot tower in the Nevada desert. The mushroom
> cloud rose higher than expected, to 44,000 feet above sea
> level, where a wind of about 115 miles an hour carried the
> fallout swiftly to the Northeast. Thirty-six hours later, a
> severe rainstorm in Troy washed much of the fallout out of
> the air and into the ground.
>
> The extent of the exposure has come to light gradually.
> Soon after the explosion, the Atomic Energy Commission said
> the dose to Troy residents was in the range of 100
> millirads, an amount equal to the natural background
> exposure for most Americans over a four-month period. But
> in 1982, Representative Samuel S. Stratton, a member of the
> House Armed Services Committee who then represented the
> Albany area in Congress, revealed that the actual dose was
> probably about 20 times larger.
>
> Documents declassified in the 1980's made it clear that the
> commission routinely understated doses released during the
> cold war.
>
> If the exposure levels revealed by Representative Stratton
> and current assumptions about health effects of small doses
> of radiation are correct, the Troy fallout may have caused
> several cancer cases in the area. But current and former
> New York State Health Department officials were not able to
> say what effect the fallout had.
>
> A book to be published this month, "A Good Day Has No Rain"
> (Whitston Publishing, $19.50) by Bill Heller, shows that
> the commission was concerned about radiation exposure. The
> agency set up roadblocks on two highways near the
> detonation site, and technicians scanned cars and trucks
> with Geiger counters. About 25 vehicles were ordered to go
> to nearby towns to have their vehicles decontaminated, and
> technicians temporarily confiscated some drivers' licenses
> to ensure that they would comply.
>
> But in Troy, where the commission was alerted to far higher
> levels of radiation, the public got no instructions at all.
> This was standard procedure for the period. Mr. Heller
> noted that during its years of atmospheric testing, the
> Atomic Energy Commission eventually began warning one
> upstate New York company, Kodak, which had complained that
> the radioactive material was damaging its photographic
> products. But it did not warn the public.
>
> "They knew immediately that it was dirty," said Mr. Heller,
> a sportswriter who said he had spent 15 years working on
> the book. In fact, the commission was informed of the New
> York fallout by a professor at the Rensselaer Polytechnic
> Institute in Troy whose instruments were set off by the
> fallout. The professor, Herbert Clark, now retired, said in
> a telephone interview, "There wasn't anything like it
> anywhere else in the country."
>
> Radiation standards at the time were not as strict as those
> in force today, but some techniques of dose reduction were
> already well established, like washing off contaminated
> surfaces and testing milk before giving it to children.
> Milk is a problem because nuclear fission produces a
> radioactive form of iodine that is readily absorbed by cows
> and concentrated in their milk, and then concentrated in
> the human thyroid gland.
>
> Mr. Heller maintains that the Atomic Energy Commission
> avoided finding out what the magnitude of the contamination
> was in Troy, and later made spurious arguments that led to
> a low estimate so as not to jeopardize the atmospheric
> testing program, which continued until 1963. Dr. Clark, a
> chemist who worked to help develop the atomic bomb during
> the war, was somewhat more forgiving.
>
> "This was a unique situation," he said, with the fallout
> reaching New York, 2,300 miles downwind, generally being
> far more diffuse. "In the past, this had not occurred, and
> they weren't ready for it. I don't think they would have
> been able to do much anyway." The agency sent a plane to
> monitor radiation levels five days after the blast.
>
> The Department of Defense estimated in the 1980's that the
> dose in Troy had been about two rads. But the size of the
> dose could have varied widely, according to experts.
>
> The effects of the dose from the Simon test are not clear.
> Mr. Heller cites several childhood cancer cases in the
> years following the explosion and writes that they may have
> been related to the fallout. A spokeswoman for the State
> Health Department, Claire Pospisil, said she could not
> locate anyone still with the agency who could talk about
> the fallout or the possible health effects.
>
> Health Department statistics for the 50's, 60's and 70's
> for Rensselaer County, where Troy is located, show that
> among women, thyroid cancer deaths rose to 0.9 per 100,000
> population in the 1960's, from 0.5 in the 1950's. Among
> males, they dropped to 0.3 from 0.5. For both sexes, the
> rate declined in the 1970's.
>
> The official who headed the Bureau of Radiological Health
> from 1980 until he retired in February 2002, Karim Rimawi,
> said that the state did not begin measuring fallout until
> the 1960's. He said that measuring the health effects of
> the fallout from the 1953 explosion was hard, against a
> background of other sources of cancer and a highly mobile
> population. "It's very difficult to say right now," he
> said.

-- Edited by NuclearLou at 11:14, 2005-04-29

   Follow the Lake like a tread.Follow the snow.

what is a P file?

I thought you only read kids books?

May 09, 2005 - People who live in Amherst whose homes are sinking will finally hear why.

Last summer, the US Army Corps of Engineers began testing to find out why some homes in the town were having major structural problems.

It seems soil beneath the surface was not providing the support homes needed.

The results will be released during three meetings. The first is tonight at Sweet Home High School in Amherst. The second session is Wednesday at the Amherst Senior Center and Thursday the meeting will be at Williamsville North High School. The hours are from 7 to 9 p.m. each night.
     There goes that theroy of the clay barrier that hold up for ever....hense...NFSS

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Originally posted by: alwayswatching
" Yeah so much fotr the clay. Have you given any thought to the UB campus. Think about it, it's the same soil and flood plain. The foundations are stronger but for how long? All of the clay at UB is doing the same thing, let me try to explain.   This whole are is in a flood plain and the soil is mostly clay. When you build you put in extensive drainage systems to prevent water in the basements. When clay dries it shrinks, then when it does rain it acts like a pond. Then you add in the frost line and you have constantly changing force on the foundation. Sooner or later these foundations will shift, but the costs of fixing them will fall to the taxpayers. AW"

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Plus the human cost,This supposedly why the loow site is so safe,......      Everthing leaks

-- Edited by Dovey at 08:06, 2005-05-10

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Originally posted by: jspeer
"I thought you only read kids books?"

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    I do not think I like you to much......go stand on some clay awhile.....jspeer darling