Consensual Crime?

Date: Mon May 9 4:10 PM, 2005

RE: Consensual Crime?

Dovey · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: NuclearLou
"After us, you, me, we, I and myself, along with Dovey, MM and AM, everyone will have to post in Green... for Envy... You guys are sweet--just trying to improve our local economy and situation :*) LOL! L"

once again yea lou is back..........

nukiegirl · Member

Just when I have a great idea for the greater Niagra Falls area- of making it a mecca for new age spiritual tourists (ie. Sedona Rocks); I see postings about hookers & rockets. Is the NASA press release legit or part of a viritual game of tongue in cheek?

NuclearLou · Senior Member

We are exploring drawing up stock certificates and are in need of an official Corporate Name. Something that is nice and friendly. We don't want to offend the families that come here for the therapeutic value of the waters flowing over the mighty precipice of Niagara. OK, now, as a marketing experiment, and for the good of this proposed corporation, I suggest that we do a brain storming session with the names...I'll try and get the ball rolling with these suggestions. Please feel free to add your own.

The Niagara Radiation Ranchers Association, Niagara County Ho- st Community Services, The Corporation for Public Broad-casting--oh wait, that's sort of in use. Um, what about The George G. Mazziartz-Mt. View Recreational Hotel & Suites, Galore Glow, No-Tel Select, College Inn, any of these would be very fitting in the community and hardly noticeable.

There would be no worse reputation for the fact. Niagara is already an atomic waste center not unlike the desert of Nevada at the test site. This area actually may have more, longer lasting radioactive particles than there near the Chicken Ranch. The days of "excursioning" died with the advent of jet aircraft and easy trips to Florida and Disney. Now that's family oriented. So that's not a limitation to this project. What's the percentage of property off the tax rolls in Lewiston and Niagara County in general? How much was that last IDA subsidy for whose brother-in-law?

Come on everyone...get those creative juices flowing and get ready to pony-up some cash for support of this simple but effective idea and campaign for economic and social justice for all.

We CAN Take Back Our Toxic Community--Get Niagara Up On Its Feet Again Campaign--But we can't do this lying down.

NuclearLou · Senior Member

Like you said --

"Jeesh Lou... I'm just guessing here based on the familiar sentence structure"

But why would you suspect and name me...of ALL People...Mr. Anonymous? I didn't attack any individual envirodude or dudette. You gotta complex? Ashamed? Maybe you live too close to the water to see the danger. If you mention that you're not willing to move your business, family, etc...and then, you say that you contribute to political campaigns...what's that say about who-ever you are? Oh well, must be another english profess-ur or poli-sci wanna be. No offense to other poli-sci wanna bees.

Don't have the time.

Cheers and may your peace prevail.

LR

Date: Mon May 9 4:43 PM, 2005

I contribute money and other resources to numerous environmental causes

Lou, read and understand people before damning or mis-quoting them. I make zero political contributions. Stop debating the pants off people because the arrogant pride hides the message.

Dovey · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: NuclearLou
" We are exploring drawing up stock certificates and are in need of an official Corporate Name. Something that is nice and friendly. We don't want to offend the families that come here for the therapeutic value of the waters flowing over the mighty precipice of Niagara. OK, now, as a marketing experiment, and for the good of this proposed corporation, I suggest that we do a brain storming session with the names...I'll try and get the ball rolling with these suggestions. Please feel free to add your own. The Niagara Radiation Ranchers Association, Niagara County Ho- st Community Services, The Corporation for Public Broad-casting--oh wait, that's sort of in use. Um, what about The George G. Mazziartz-Mt. View Recreational Hotel & Suites, Galore Glow, No-Tel Select, College Inn, any of these would be very fitting in the community and hardly noticeable. There would be no worse reputation for the fact. Niagara is already an atomic waste center not unlike the desert of Nevada at the test site. This area actually may have more, longer lasting radioactive particles than there near the Chicken Ranch. The days of "excursioning" died with the advent of jet aircraft and easy trips to Florida and Disney. Now that's family oriented. So that's not a limitation to this project. What's the percentage of property off the tax rolls in Lewiston and Niagara County in general? How much was that last IDA subsidy for whose brother-in-law? Come on everyone...get those creative juices flowing and get ready to pony-up some cash for support of this simple but effective idea and campaign for economic and social justice for all. We CAN Take Back Our Toxic Community--Get Niagara Up On Its Feet Again Campaign--But we can't do this lying down."

How about glow in the dark girls.or glower hooker chem.....

NuclearLou · Senior Member

>>"I am a Democrat and far from what you attempted to paint me as.">>

And just why wouldn't i get contributions and the environment mixed in with politics? What did I paint YOU, who I have no clue is, to be. Excuse me, but I think it is impossible to try and paint something you can't see. I personally don't care what you donate to. I just don't care for your uncaring and demeaning remarks toward me, who IS visable, personally. That's just poor form. Your comments would carry more weight if you were not the invisable lancer or perhaps another.

Arrogant you say? Perhaps so, with reason and if so, with apologies.

"For those that like a strong personality, I will do your bidding and lay my humble and tattered coat over the bloodied and vile curb stones in life, if my friend, i would surely lay down my life. But for those that do not like the unreasonable man, for he is the one responsible for all change, and change there shall be, they are the bowing cowards and blow the wind from all directions."

My record and abilities are here for all to see. Where's yours?

From the side shadows of the night time jungles of exotic Mokmagumba-Guumba, the aboriginals used to throw at us long sticks tipped with poison from the dangerous plutonium plant mixed with camel crap. We had to aviod and duck these secret-sniper jackels that we all called "speer-chuckers." You them one of?

All love, peace and charity upon you and your house. I mean that.

LR

NuclearLou · Senior Member

"If its buried in Niagara, it stays buried in Niagara."

What a slogan!

-- Edited by NuclearLou at 18:25, 2005-05-09

Dovey · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: Anonymous
"I offer no thoughts at all on whatever morality issues some would have with this... and to be honest, I can't see any chance of this transpiring anyway. HOWEVER... as someone who is involved in tourism I have to say I am of the opinion that this would be a mistake of monumental proportions for the Niagara tourism market. You could legalize a lot of things if your primary objective is to find a way to get these enterprises on the tax rolls. Even if this would somehow clean up prostitution and make it a legitimate enterprise, the stigma associated with a destination like Niagara Falls becoming one of the few places in the country where this was legal would be impossible to overcome The whole character (and for many people from the world over) the very purpose and appeal of coming to Niagara would be so altered in peoples minds and to such a degree that the public relations harm would be insurmountable and disasterous to whatever market currently exists here. Nevada is actually a very bad example for whatever positives you extract from their experience, as the destinations there are built almost entirely on the back of adult entertainment to begin with. It is well documented in the tourism industry that the attempt a few years back to turn Vegas into a family destination was a monumental dissapointment. Hence... their return to the adult market with the current advertising campaign - "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas." "

OK ,so maybe my ADD has kicked in but you want to promote tourism in the niagara area.Have you not read anything.ok how bout this come to niagara county get cancer very fast.Play football at lput,Great team .and your shoes will go click click.on the counter.Now if thats not a plus its all over.Love canel ,The LOOW.The green rocks,we gotta be the only place that puts a shrine on a dump.....Turn off the falls lights it glows in the dark.

Dovey · Senior Member

I forgot one thing are you worried about the people who live there..........Lou is...AW is..Scott is...and more

alwayswatching · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: Dovey
" I forgot one thing are you worried about the people who live there..........Lou is...AW is..Scott is...and more"

Go get them Dovey, I've got you back.

Hey listen up everyone!!! Forgottenchild needs our help. Channel 4 was all over Middleport today. They have picked up the FMC thread, they have also picked up this one. Pop over to forgotten childs thread and lend a hand. Thanks AW

Paper Tigress · Veteran Member

quote: Originally posted by: Anonymous
"I offer no thoughts at all on whatever morality issues some would have with this... morality has nothing to do with it, since its a relative issue

... as someone who is involved in tourism I have to say I am of the opinion that this would be a mistake of monumental proportions for the Niagara tourism market...The whole character (and for many people from the world over) the very purpose and appeal of coming to Niagara would be so altered in peoples minds and to such a degree that the public relations harm would be insurmountable and disasterous to whatever market currently exists here. Such as what? The big balloon ride? Love Canal? We have nothing left here to draw people except the Falls itself, and since it's surrounded by a decrepit disaster area, it's drawing power is laughable.

Date: Mon May 9 7:47 PM, 2005

i don't think anyone wants to legalize "street walkers," but establish places people can go for these services. there are enough strip cluns in the area that are practically brothels already, and they haven't caused a tourist problem

jspeer · Guru

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Originally posted by: Mindcrime
"I was having a discussion the other day with a stranger in a bar, and the topic of prostitution rose to the top. I was arguing that prostitution ought to be legalized, since it is a 'victimless' crime. No one could come up with a single example of anything in this country that was illegal to sell, but perfectly legal to give away.
Thoughts?"

MC, I beg to differ. I have one. Online music and video, it’s illegal to sell but free to give away.........NAPSTER. It went to court and a judge said that it was legal to give it away. If he would have charged for it then it would be considered stealing.

alwayswatching · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: jspeer
" MC, I beg to differ. I have one. Online music and video, it’s illegal to sell but free to give away.........NAPSTER. It went to court and a judge said that it was legal to give it away. If he would have charged for it then it would be considered stealing. "

Good point JS, and that hardly hurt at all. But I have to point out that in NYS it is not legal to give away except to your spouse. So I say we need to change the old dusty law. Oh and JS I am not buying the new photo. AW

jspeer · Guru

All is forgiven my child, Saint Clinton is on my side.

Mindcrime · Guru

What you have to remember with music sharing, the item being given away is is the property of someone else, it's copyrighted as such, and it's clearly labeled. In contrast, no one has a right to your body but you, so what you decide to do with it remains yours (pay attention right-to-lifers). I have yet to hear of a solid, justifiable reason why someone can't pay someone else for sex. It's outdated, moralistic nonsense.

The reason I named this thread Consensual Crimes is because that's the pretext prostitution falls under. There is no victim, and both parties agree to the activities. No one gets hurt, but it's still a crime? That's stupid.

jspeer · Guru

MC, If I purchased the CD then isn't that mine? I do own that CD and as long as I don't sell copies of it that I made then it's mine to let people borrow songs from. I know I'm stretching things but come on give me a break....... no one else even came close.

alwayswatching · Guru

MC JS is a fake!

jspeer · Guru

A fake? Nothing on me is fake....... Every part of me is 100% real.

Dovey · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: jspeer
"A fake? Nothing on me is fake....... Every part of me is 100% real."

I think you are telling a fibber

Scott Leffler · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: jspeer
"MC, If I purchased the CD then isn't that mine? I do own that CD and as long as I don't sell copies of it that I made then it's mine to let people borrow songs from. I know I'm stretching things but come on give me a break....... no one else even came close."

And even if it isn't technically legal to allow friends and neighbors to copy your CDs, you can definately let them borrow them. Just look at the public library system. Full of CDs and movies, too. All for the borrowing.

I still say the pot was a good example, though.

:)

Mindcrime · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: jspeer
"MC, If I purchased the CD then isn't that mine? I do own that CD and as long as I don't sell copies of it that I made then it's mine to let people borrow songs from. I know I'm stretching things but come on give me a break....... no one else even came close."

Actually, that's prohibited by law as well..."unauthorized reproduction" is still illegal. But music sharing is a poor analogy anyway. If someone copies a song from you, they can listen to it forever. If someone borrows your body, it's a one-shot-deal... (no pun intended)

As far as pot goes, that's another consensual issue. I don't know that there is any amount that's legal to own, you can be busted for having a tiny nib of a joint in your ashtray. It's called possession. It doesn't even have to be yours, just on your person or in your car. Anyway, pot is not a harmful drug and ought to be legal. (And before someone pulls out statistics on how pot affects brain chemistry, make sure you check on how good tobacco or alcohol is for you.) Pot is safer than cigarettes, non-addictive, and the snack industry thrives because of it.

Dovey · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: Mindcrime
" Actually, that's prohibited by law as well..."unauthorized reproduction" is still illegal. But music sharing is a poor analogy anyway. If someone copies a song from you, they can listen to it forever. If someone borrows your body, it's a one-shot-deal... (no pun intended) As far as pot goes, that's another consensual issue. I don't know that there is any amount that's legal to own, you can be busted for having a tiny nib of a joint in your ashtray. It's called possession. It doesn't even have to be yours, just on your person or in your car. Anyway, pot is not a harmful drug and ought to be legal. (And before someone pulls out statistics on how pot affects brain chemistry, make sure you check on how good tobacco or alcohol is for you.) Pot is safer than cigarettes, non-addictive, and the snack industry thrives because of it. "

In the late 70s my mom grew a plant"she loved to garden"anyways when it was huge some nasty kid took it before I could...LOL