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Originally posted by: kspeer
"no body sends their children to war - the children must be adults and able to choose to send themselves to war or they dont go - simple enough - how long have you been out of school ? perhaps you are one of the demoncrats that would like to reinstate the draft ? or just a select draft for the children of great politicians ? chelsea is even through college now , she could enlist and get a commision right off the bat ? i see you dont mention her ? of course her father was not a great politician , but would it not be un american to not give the innocent children of traitors the same opportunities afforded to everyone ?

- unfortunatly i am too old , but if asked i will go , gladly .

this war is just , we have a choice , fight it over there or fight it over here , in the USA , i think it is better to fight it over there. either way the war is going to be faught.

now if we could just find something other than DU to use against enemy armor .... how about sodium or phosphourus encased in a tungsten dart .... saboted like the DU ammo .... higher velocity and mass for same or better penetration .... ? worth a try .

MOTM, You are my new hero! Every Dem on this site only picks on the children of the GOP! It gets old. If Mike Moore cares so much he should push his fat ass away from the kitchen table and run for office, but I guess in his world there should be no GOV'T. Maybe if he runs he can ask Sean Penn to be his running mate. They can sit down with the Terrorists and roll a joint and talk about PEACE AND LOVE.......NOT! "

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OOPS! Mine again sorry, hate me not my sweet wife.LOL

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Originally posted by: Scott Leffler
" Two points ... 1) They've been poisoning us slowly. Napalm might be more humane. 2) We've been under attack since well before 1993. "

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point  1 . yes "they" have .  "they" when it started were / was demon-crats , the administration of FDR followed by. that of President Truman .   another demon-crat .         but that has nothing do do with .... a military action. it was about something else much more sinister.      now under the administration of president Bush 2 , the nuclear wastes buried in the LOOW site have been reclasified from VERY VERY BAD , to kinda sorta bad , so that the waste can remain in the ground forever !   Bad bad move !  a scripture comes to mind that ends with                             if you do something ? "the land will spew you out"    ... i must find it .  

point 2     yes , again you are correct  , but no point in going back farther than that for the purpose of this discussion .   president R did whack the pipi of Libya [and they backed down] when they killed Mr klinghofer , all he had to do was state the obvious and iran could not release the hostages fast enough ....    President C dropped the ball ....   both of the presidet Cs .

 

quote of PT --- "If there is a terrorist who hates us, but he hasn't ACTIVELY done anything to us YET, how can you justify killing him? aah, i did not say that , i used the phrase "activily killing Americans" so therefore i made no attempt to justify killing some one who only hates "us"  Until he actually kills someone, isn't he one of "the good guys?" The Columbine kids didn't attempt to kill anyone prior to their massacre. You see? as i remember the columbine kids did have prior contact with law enforcement , a few mistakes were made .... You can't identify or label someone as a terrorist until it's too late. Go watch Minority Report, it might help illustrate things" i will never ever follow the lead of hollyweird to determine appropriate response to anything .

our soldiers are on the ground , in a foreign country or two waiting for the bad guys to come to them so that the bad guys can be killed - our plan is working very well .   we learned the plan in vietnam at a place named khe-sahn [spelling ?] a battalion ?  of marines was holding the top of a mountain plateau [spelling ?] , when the bad guys came to kill them, the marines killed the bad guys instead , the bad guys assumed that because the marines were surrounded with no hope of escape that the marines were vulnerable , the bad guys did not factor in air strikes    when the surviving bad guys ran away and the marines could kill no more , the marines abandoned the hill , it had no other value to them ....         it is hard to locate "terrorists " as you point out , so , our military has devised plan(s) to make the "terrorists" come to them , on foreign soil .     when our military runs out of "terrorists" to kill , they will switch to the next plan .   

     and to Mr Speer , i am no hero , i am a poor ignorant white boy whose mother just died horribly from the effects of what is in the ground at the LOOW site , but it is good to see that there is at least one other red blooded American here .  

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=956   an article from Debka - drippings from israeli intelligence - links between china , Israel , America  , all good for us . some how American Media totally missed this event - ? looks kinda newsworthy to myself .   see Debka.com from time to time -   amazed,  you will be amazed.  

-- Edited by mike of the mountain at 01:50, 2005-05-28

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Originally posted by: Paper Tigress
"What makes you think I take my cues from Hollywood? I only mentioned 'Minority Report' to illustrate the idea that you can't condemn people of things they haven't done yet. And for the record, 'Fahrenheit: 9/11' wasn't fictional. Do you think Bush acting like a jerk was CGI? No he was FILMED being a jerk. He sat there for eleven minutes with a dumb look on his face while we were being attacked. If he doesn't want to called out or be made fun of, he should stop acting like a selfish idiot in front of cameras and microphones."

          prresident Bush did not "look like a jerk" in the aforementioned clip      in the follow up interveiw with the teacher of that class she stated he was in control and not at all having any problems before during or after the event , he was gathering his thoughts , calmly - which is how warriors are trained .  i saw both the follow up and the original , so should you .  

you claim you dont take your cues from hollyweird yet the first part of your post lists two references to hollyweird films ? as a part of your argument ? howizzat possible ?     did you see star wars 3 yet ? i did , it was great ,  but totally unrelated to any thing happening in the real non fantasy world , just like hollyweird itself .

"Oh, and the real "red-blooded Americans" are the ones who aren't afraid to stand up to their friends, neighbors, even their own government and tell them what they think. It's not just my right to criticize our corrupt and misguided leadership, it's my duty as an American. " 

      red blooded Americans do not support and aid the goals of the enemies of America , .   red blooded Americans study all the facts and sort out the propaganda from both sides .    before, before .  

"our corrupt misguided leadership " ?  strong words , without any proof or fact , show the facts you base that on , just the facts , no propaganda .  

 

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You sure like that word propoganda, huh? How come any fact you don't like or agree with becomes propoganda?

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                        no ; propaganda is what it is , you can not polish a turd . and yes , the good guys use it too.             but that fact changes nothing .

   yes , i like the word "propaganda" ?  still i dont see your facts to support your argument .....            typical liberal tactic , no facts to support argument , switch direction and focus .....

no grammer here .

 

Mr. Webster says - PROPAGANDA invloves the spreading of ideas or agenda to advance ones       position or to DAMAGE another's. The definition says nothing of truth or lies. Both can be used according to the way I read the definition. What's wrong with pure truth?

AND J.H. will LOVE this...Propaganda was started as an "art" (my word) by Pope Gregory the XV.

 

Lou R.

i'm still waiting for someone to convince me why recruiters should be allowed on school grounds...

Oh, and O'literate One w Crossed Swords--GET A THESAURUS. Maybe a 2005 Roget's. Look up PROPAGANDA--spelled THIS way. After you do this I'll tell you more about the definition, origin and use. It is GOOD that you looked up your word. Now go look up this.

ABSOLUTELY AGREE with Phantom. It IS a shame that when people don't have a legitmate position they fall back on things like name calling such as "loser." If YOU lost weight, then the definition would fit perfectly. I won't resort to nameless, faceless name calling. If this person can't withstand the Hummis...perhaps they should move away from the great lake.

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Anonymous wrote: RIGHT. You've got a dictionary that's ONLY A YEAR OLD. Sure thing there cheese. If you do, you're the only one in God's creation! LOL!!  What, you just get out of high school? Too bad that they changed the definition in yours. Mine says it exactly as posted. YOU are a nit wit. Wanna debate those two words? So because I have a new dictionary, I'm 18 years old? I could be 15 or 50 for all you know. Your entire post is a condescending pile of bull. And by the way, "nitwit" is one word, dumbass... You lose.

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7 in a row and now they are fighting with each other. No, no point to be made here!

If the military were such a great career choice, if the Iraq war is so justifiable, and if the country's young people are so red-blooded, why does the military need recruiters in the first place? Why do they need a special classification of spin doctors to convince people to join? Wouldn't people be lining up to fight the "terrorrist threat" if all these things were true?

Phantom

Somebody on this board once said something to the effect that a draft would be good because then we would think twice before yelling "Attack!" or "Nuke 'em!"

I have an idea, let's send everyone with a stupid magnetic ribbon on their SUV to fight this war. If Bush's war truly is just, and he is ordained by God himself, let's not pussy-foot around. Let's get this overwith now.

no, you are doing ok ,    another red blooded American , good .   good .