You don't even have to buy them anymore. Just go to the carwash next to Johnson's, the back door is covered with the ones that fell off of people's cars while being washed!

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I want one that says "Impeach Bush"

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If they didn't inpeach Clinton for all his flaws how the hell would they impeach Bush?

-- Edited by jspeer at 10:15, 2005-06-11

Anonymous wrote: I want one that says "Impeach Bush"

I'll start making them today. Who else wants one?

Maybe another that says, "Proud of my country, ashamed of my President."

I'll work on a catalog tonight.

-- Edited by Mindcrime at 12:32, 2005-06-11

I'll sell them at cost...I'll let ya know tomorrow what that is. And I'll post some prototypes...

mike of the mountain wrote:

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lets cover the one of the important basics , our economy is the best in the world as measured by unemployment #s .       this can be credited to the economic policies of the current president -  is this "bad"  ? -    i will give to you a hint , no.         

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MOTM, being better than the rest of the world is only so good if you still have more than five percent of your population unemployed and a much much higher percentage underemployed. If Bush's economic policies are so good, I've been fooled. As has the rest of WNY. Maybe downstate things are thriving, but we're in the Bush recession without a doubt. Oh, that's the George H.W. Bush recession, by the way. Never got out of it.
 
And what, praytel are the economic policies of the current president. Give a little to the poor people and a lot to the rich? How exactly does that help?

mike of the mountain wrote:

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lets cover the one of the important basics , our economy is the best in the world as measured by unemployment #s. this can be credited to the economic policies of the current president -  is this "bad"  ? -    i will give to you a hint , no.         

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While it's true that our total unemployment is down to 5%, that's great. That means 95 out of every 100 people have a job. Now I want you to look at that 95%. Tell me how many of them are earning a livable wage from their job. Tell me how many actually have a full-time job. How many of them earn more than $9 an hour? How many of them are actually working 2 or 3 part-time, minimum-wage jobs just so they can barely make the rent? How many of that 95% have any kind of savings from their over-taxed paychecks? Just because the unemployment rate is low, doesn't mean things are good.

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ok so the percentage of people in the usa that own their own homes has never been higher than the current rate of 69% , http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/12/AR2005061201224.html     and unemployment in USA @ 5% is the lowest of any country in the world .         so just what / where is the problem with that ?         again ;  what is the problem with our great president ? 

maybe it's the part about our enemies racing to iraq so that we can kill them with our assembled war machine , and not racing here to our homeland so they can kill us ?

    one bad thing that will have to be dealt with soon ; But our current administration is doing what they can to thwart this while it can be thwarted ;    http://www.debka.com/article_print.php?aid=1039         compared to other alleged "allies" we are way ahead , with israel in the diplomatic solution ,    it appears diplomacy is not going to be enough .

                again except for saying "Bush is Bad"  ,  whats the problem ?  

Do you really believe terrorists are flocking in droves to where our military is? yes This is not a video game, where a constant stream of enemies wanders in front of your sights, like zombies. All they're fighting are nationals, insurgents, and a few radical idealists. The really dangerous people are either already here, biding their time, or they're hiding out in other countries. Once again, never underestimate the terorrists, they're not stupid. i did not say they were ,my word would be evil .  

If you hated America, and you had one shot as a suicide bomber, would you walk into a crowded Wal-Mart right in the infidels backyard, killing hundreds of unarmed, unsuspecting people; or would you try to drive a truck bomb through a military guarded checkpoint, where everyone has guns and knows they're in a warzone? Take it from me, the soldiers in Iraq are already afraid. some are , most are not .  The terrorists will target us here, at home. when ? they are not doing it now , for what do they wait ?

i would link it but this should be read , similar events take place in syria and iran and .... every once and a while , check out debka.com  ;

 

FEATURE-Saudi soldier's journey to death in Iraq
Sun 20 Mar 2005 3:04:05 GMT

By Khalid al-Fadli

JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia, March 20 (Reuters) - Six months ago sergeant Mahmoud al-Harithi resigned from the Saudi military, said goodbye to his wife and two children, and left home for jihad in Iraq.

A family man, the 32-year-old called home regularly. But he said little and resisted pleas for him to return.

"He was looking for martyrdom. No matter who he would fight and no matter where, Afghanistan or Iraq, he was looking to be a martyr," said one of his cousins, who asked not to be named.

One Friday in late February his father had just finished midday prayers when he noticed two missed calls on his mobile phone. He called back, and heard a curt message telling him that Mahmoud's wish had been granted.

"Your son is dead. We regret we cannot send you his body. We request your permission to bury him in Iraq," the voice said.

Harithi followed the same journey as many hundreds of Saudi men who are believed to have slipped away to fight in Iraq, angered by the U.S. military occupation and driven by a desire to restore Muslim honour.

Together with other foreign fighters they have helped fuel a bloody insurgency by Baathists and Islamists trying to force American troops out of the country they invaded two years ago.

From time to time their secret, violent tales become public.

In January, Saudi newspapers reported that a young Saudi man had survived, bloodied and horribly burned, after driving a fuel truck carrying explosives into Baghdad on December 25.

Nine people died when the truck exploded but the militant, Ahmad Shayia, survived and was arrested, the papers said. His family in Saudi Arabia had already had a phone call telling them he was dead.



IRAQ JIHAD

Harithi had a pious upbringing and attended meetings regularly at his local mosque after sunset prayers.

His family do not know exactly what prompted him to take up arms in Iraq, although he may well have been inspired by rhetoric at the mosque, and they begged him to reconsider. His father even told the Saudi authorities where his son was.

"He kept calling from Iraq. He said: 'I'm in Iraq. I'm on jihad'," said the cousin. "They asked him to come back but he said he was afraid of being punished by the government."

His family, who were not told where or how Mahmoud died, accepted condolences for the traditional three day period of mourning. "They were upset but they appeared proud their son had fought in Iraq," said the cousin.

Saudi authorities have tried to stem the flow of jihadis heading for Iraq, tightening control at the border.

"There are tens of Saudis in jail because either they wanted to go to Iraq, were caught trying to get in or were collecting money for people going to Iraq," said Mansour Nogaidan, a former militant who is now a critic of Saudi Arabia's strict Wahhabi school -- blamed by some for inspiring anti-Western violence.

Militants have found other routes, mostly through Syria. Recent successes by Saudi security forces in their battle with al Qaeda militants may have pushed more fighters towards Iraq.

One senior Saudi security official recently told a private gathering there may now be 1,500 Saudis in Iraq, Nogaidan said.

Fares Houzam, a researcher on al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, said he estimated up to 2,500 Saudis have travelled to Iraq since the U.S. invasion in March 2003, 400 of whom may have died there.

"Every day somewhere in Saudi Arabia, in the north or the south, there is a family accepting condolences," he said.

Saudi officials decline to say how many fighters may have slipped across into Iraq, but suggest numbers are much lower.



SENDING MORE MARTYRS

Saleh al-Awfi, the suspected leader of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, has pledged to despatch more Saudis to Iraq.

"We will send you fighters and martyrdom seekers whenever you need them and you will find us a fortified castle and a strong shield," Awfi wrote in a letter posted on the Internet.

Prominent Saudi Muslim scholars have stoked the fires, declaring support in November for the militants and saying holy war against occupiers was a duty. The statement, signed by 26 scholars, urged Muslims to "stand by their brothers in Iraq".

Almost a generation ago, the government was also actively helping Saudis to join Muslim mujahideen in another jihad -- to expel Soviet forces from Afghanistan.

One man who heeded their call was the young Osama bin Laden.

When Soviet forces finally withdrew, bin Laden and other "Afghan Arabs" began to look further afield. Many returned to their own countries, inspiring insurgents from Egypt to Algeria.

Saudi officials fear returning militants from Iraq could spell further trouble in the birthplace of Islam, where al Qaeda supporters have carried out a series of attacks aimed at scaring away Westerners and undermining the pro-U.S. royal family.

Islamist lawyer Mohsen Awajy said most Saudi militants in Iraq had "one-way tickets" and would most likely die there. But if any came back they could bring with them the more violent ideology of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al Qaeda leader in Iraq.

"We are quite concerned about those who may return after the end of the conflict in Iraq with a new ideology even worse than the ideology which came from Afghanistan".

© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.

Mindcrime wrote:

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mike of the mountain wrote: Once again, never underestimate the terorrists, they're not stupid. i did not say they were ,my word would be evil . Fine, they're evil, but they're also not the savage blundering idiots people take them for. They're articulate, calculating tenacious people, and I guarantee you they're not in the desert trying to fight Americas war machine. They're planning they're next attack here. Strategically, logically and skillfully. The terrorists will target us here, at home. when ? they are not doing it now , for what do they wait ? As I've said many times before, the war in Iraq is not affecting the people planning terrorist acts here. There was an 11 year gap between the WTC bombing and the 9/11 attacks. Do you really think the few years since we invaded makes a case for our safety? There is no reason to belileve they wouldn't wait another decade before attacking a nuclear facility, or driving a WMD into a Washington parking garage. While you think about that, I'm going to go check to see if our domestic borders are in any way secure... [looks around]  *sigh*

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see the previous post from myself in this thread , Saudi military people are leaving home to fight in iraq and affagastan against our military .

old news here http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040420-115628-7182r   syria sends in non iraqi fighters to battle Americans , and it continues though today - search in google , a blind man can see it .            

   the leadership of the enemy is not stupid , i never said they were ....   perhaps the enemy leadership is sacrificing all those poor schmucks so we will not be watching somewhere else,  like the israelis did at the battle for the golan heights when they sacrificed an armor unit to buy time to move reinforcements into position and destroy all remaining syrian armor for a victory for the israelis and the capture of the strategicly important golan heights .  which they still hold. of course that entire battle lasted only a few days ....

maybe they are not as smart as ?     their communications are not as good as ours , they may have problems getting to local commanders who are operating without guidence .....   

yes our border are porus , but not as porus {spelling} as they were 3 years ago ,   another problem is our own homegrown liberals are attempting to defang what laws we have to thwart the enemy after they do get here ,  brilliant .  what are they thinking ?

if you speak to people who travel on international flights from previously "open" countrys you will see that security is much tighter , every thing gets searched , papers must be in order .

i was flagged for extra security searching twice traveling to california in january and both times they missed the steel in my hand  from when i blew up my right hand . but they took the luggage apart very completly and did not offer to repack it .   

     radiation monitors now cover more ports than before , with the goal being 100% , a recent event in niagara falls involved a woman with someform of radiactive tracer got her and the bus she was on stopped at the border , that would not have happened in 2001 .

    us customs now has oversees offices to screen containers and shipping that was not in place in 2001 , software tracks containers trips from begining to end , suspicious locations that containers pass through are red flagged and cause extra scrutiny .     they now have xray type things to see into vehicles and containers crossing the borders as evidenced by a recent capture in niagara falls . they now have motion sensors and cameras on the American  northern border in open stretches . 

     and , that can not be all ,    they dont tell us everything ....   about the co2 detecters or the infared imaging from the sky , or satellite imaging .       or the replacement for carnivore . 

                    so i do think the borders are less porus than they were in 2001. not yet perfect.