Oh I forgot, love the new you. "Doe a deer a female deer"

"ray a drop of golden sun..."

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Originally posted by: alwayswatching
""ray a drop of golden sun...""

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I'm a closet Sound of Music lover! When I was a kid my Nana used to make us watch a lot of musicals and dance with her. I used to hate it. Now they're some of my best memories of her. She has Alzheimer's (last stages). Thanks for the smile, Dovey and AW.

-- Edited by jspeer at 08:26, 2005-05-21

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""far a long long way to run""

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It's actually ""Fa" a long long way to run."

Look at me. I'm singing.

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" That's the way Scott. Dovey, don't tell them, but their inner child is alive and well. "Far, a long long way to runSew, a needle pulling thread" Actually we are both right, it's spelled two different ways, in the song. "Do re mi fa so la ti ..." is the song, but when Dovey teaches it to the kids she uses words they can relate to. Good job Dovey!"

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         La a note to follow sooooooo.......Yea scott I knew inside you was a song....js anytime .everyone needs to laugh,sorry about your nana.....Stay tuned   a picture is coming

       very sad when you can not say what you like

-- Edited by Dovey at 06:49, 2005-06-11

   I hope you never lose you're sense of wonder......May you never take one single breath for granted......That was way cool Lou..... "The answer to the circle thing is we all  are the dot in the center.Meant for what ever reason to share our imfo,songs,kindness,to help one another"

-- Edited by Dovey at 20:22, 2005-05-21

Do, a deer, that Nugent shot,

Re, a fish that's kinda flat,

Mi, the guy, who's always right,

Fa, a place I wish you were,

So, it means, I'm not impressed,

LA, a place near Hollywood,

Ti, HC; it's found in pot,

Do is what I never seem to have...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5189998-110878,00.html

Commentary-

An ethical blank cheque

British and US mythology about the second world war ignores our own crimes and legitimises Anglo-American warmaking

Richard Drayton
Tuesday May 10, 2005
Guardian

In 1945, as at the end of all wars, the victor powers spun the conflict's history to serve the interests of their elites. Wartime propaganda thus achieved an extraordinary afterlife. As Vladimir Putin showed yesterday, the Great Patriotic War remains a key political resource in Russia. In Britain and the US, too, a certain idea of the second world war is enthusiastically kept alive and less flattering memories suppressed.

Five years ago, Robert Lilly, a distinguished American sociologist, prepared a book based on military archives. Taken by Force is a study of the rapes committed by American soldiers in Europe between 1942 and 1945. He submitted his manuscript in 2001. But after September 11, its US publisher suppressed it, and it first appeared in 2003 in a French translation.

We know from Anthony Beevor about the sexual violence unleashed by the Red Army, but we prefer not to know about mass rape committed by American and British troops. Lilly suggests a minimum of 10,000 American rapes. Contemporaries described a much wider scale of unpunished sex crime. Time Magazine reported in September 1945: "Our own army and the British army along with ours have done their share of looting and raping ... we too are considered an army of rapists.

"The British and American publics share a sunny view of the second world war. The evil of Auschwitz and Dachau, turned inside out, clothes the conflict in a shiny virtue. Movies, popular histories and political speeches frame the war as a symbol of Anglo-American courage, with the Red Army's central role forgotten. This was, we believe, "a war for democracy". Americans believe that they fought the war to rescue the world. For apologists of the British Empire, such as Niall Ferguson, the war was an ethical bath where the sins of centuries of conquest, slavery and exploitation were expiated. We are marked forever as "the good guys"and can all happily chant "Two world wars and one world cup."

All this seems innocent fun, but patriotic myths have sharp edges. The "good war" against Hitler has underwritten 60 years of warmaking. It has become an ethical blank cheque for British and US power. We claim the right to bomb, to maim, to imprison without trial on the basis of direct and implicit appeals to the war against fascism.

When we fall out with such tyrant friends as Noriega, Milosevic or Saddam we rebrand them as "Hitler". In the "good war" against them, all bad things become forgettable "collateral damage". The devastation of civilian targets in Serbia or Iraq, torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo, the war crime of collective punishment in Falluja, fade to oblivion as the "price of democracy".

Our democratic imperialism prefers to forget that fascism had important Anglo-American roots. Hitler's dream was inspired, in part, by the British Empire. In eastern Europe, the Nazis hoped to make their America and Australia, where ethnic cleansing and slave labour created a frontier for settlement. In western Europe, they sought their India from which revenues, labour and soldiers might be extracted.

American imperialism in Latin America gave explicit precedents for Germany's and Japan's claims of supremacy in their neighbouring regions. The British and Americans were key theorists of eugenics and had made racial segregation respectable. The concentration camp was a British invention, and in Iraq and Afghanistan the British were the first to use air power to repress partisan resistance. The Luftwaffe - in its assault on Guernica, and later London and Coventry - paid homage to Bomber Harris's terror bombing of the Kurds in the 1920s.

We forget, too, that British and US elites gave aid to the fascists. President Bush's grandfather, prosecuted for "trading with the enemy" in 1942, was one of many powerful Anglo-Americans who liked Mussolini and Hitler and did what they could to help. Appeasement as a state policy was only the tip of an iceberg of practical aid to these dictatorships. Capital and technology flowed freely, and fascist despots received dignified treatment in Washington and London. Henry Ford made Hitler birthday gifts of 50,000 marks.

We least like to remember that our side also committed war crimes in the 1940s. The destruction of Dresden, a city filled with women, children, the elderly and the wounded, and with no military significance, is only the best known of the atrocities committed by our bombers against civilian populations. We know about the notorious Japanese abuse of prisoners of war, but do not remember the torture and murder of captured Japanese. Edgar Jones, an "embedded" Pacific war correspondent, wrote in 1946: "'We shot prisoners in cold blood, wiped out hospitals, strafed lifeboats, killed or mistreated enemy civilians, finished off the enemy wounded, tossed the dying into a hole with the dead, and in the Pacific boiled flesh off enemy skulls to make table ornaments.

"After 1945, we borrowed many fascist methods. Nuremberg only punished a handful of the guilty; most walked free with our help. In 1946, Project Paperclip secretly brought more than 1,000 Nazi scientists to the US. Among their ranks were Kurt Blome, who had tested nerve gas at Auschwitz, and Konrad Schaeffer, who forced salt into victims at Dachau. Other experiments at mind control via drugs and surgery were folded into the CIA's Project Bluebird. Japan's Dr Shiro Ishii, who had experimented with prisoners in Manchuria, came to Maryland to advise on bio-weapons. Within a decade of British troops liberating Belsen, they were running their own concentration camps in Kenya to crush the Mau Mau. The Gestapo's torture techniques were borrowed by the French in Algeria, and then disseminated by the Americans to Latin American dictatorships in the 60s and 70s. We see their extension today in the American camps in Cuba and Diego Garcia.

War has a brutalising momentum. This is the moral of Taken By Force, which shows how American soldiers became increasingly indiscriminate in their sexual violence and military authorities increasingly lax in its prosecution. Even as we remember the evils of nazism, and the courage of those who defeated it, we should begin to remember the second world war with less self- satisfaction. We might, in particular, learn to distrust those who use it to justify contemporary warmongering.·

Richard Drayton is senior lecturer in history at Cambridge University.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2005

Lou

"To the Victor go the spoils." Who writes the history?

Dovey: Hop down off that branch for a sec...come here and have some of these popcorn kernels...

My uncle Frank was one of those guys they were trying to drag out of the alley with your FIL. Uncle Frank died unfortunately. His nickname was Pooch. I never got to meet him. My Dad used to say he could walk up and down stairs, on his hands upside down!

I don't know why, but after four years, his body was returned to the US and he was buried in the National Cemetary in Elmira as a Decorated War Veteran.

I'm NOT dissing the dead. I'm trying to bring out, that during this the Sixtieth Anniversary of the first testing and use of atomic weapons, that it is who writes the history we are told to believe. JUST LIKE the LOOW site. You are absolutely correct that there are always two sides to the tale. Just always remember, no matter who you are or where, that one half of the story is usually in a different language than yours. War is no good--no matter who or where. We're too smart for THAT anymore..or, are we? War IS Waste...Human, chemical, atomic....generations later get to clean all that up. FUN, Wow! See Dick and Jane run with rubber gloves, booties and a respirator!

When I hear the phrase "The Greatest Generation," I think of my Uncle Frank. He was a part of the Greatest Generation because he came back--Years later in a box. When I think of "The Greatest Generation," I think, yeah they would be, if they had only cleaned up after themselves. You know I'm talkin Niagara Falls & LOOW!  Make the war. Make the money. Make tracks. Make someone else clean it up.

Who wrote the history years ago that said the LOOW Site was clean enough to sell off? Who said it was a good historical idea to build a landfill there? A school system? Who says that they have even told us the complete history of that site?  See how history is a funny thing?  That's all I was saying and it WAS related to THE situation

Just for the record--Some of my best friends in life have been Veterans. I used to have a Vet over for Memorial Day, every year (haven't in a few--most are dead). I would throw a food feast of steak and shrimp (as I could afford). I would always call certain of my friends on Vets Day and thank them. My dog I have is the result of one of my Vet friends dying and I got his dog. 

Nope, I'm not dissing anyone. Just stating that the facts get to become the facts depending on who writes them.

Lou

-- Edited by NuclearLou at 07:41, 2005-05-22

DVY:  You know I said that with all Love and Cooing. :*) Tell Hubby L that I said "thanks" for his part...AND, I used the corn from the Good Bag of Kernels!  You're welcome.

L

-- Edited by NuclearLou at 08:03, 2005-05-22