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"sending it to the niagara river under the JD state park" Where is JD park?  park    Joesph Davis .


--Does it discharge at the shoreline or underwater out into the river? Is this the line that runs along south of the schools or one under the L-P schools? "this ground water is drawn from within the LOOW site but away from the areas of contamination"    i dont know the answer to the discharge location ? but i can not find even that reference , i will search til i re find it .


related   -   http://www.niagara-gazette.com/print_story.asp?id=1585  


 Company says...............  "   ?  as little as possible ....






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I don't know where this information is coming from but it is a CROCK!  Sorry.


Here are pictures of two seperate creeks flowing AWAY from the US Government Manhattan Engineering District--Atomic Energy Commission, NE Chemical Warfare, 2 secret Air Force factories, Lake Ontario Ordnance Works, Niagara Falls (radiological) Storage Site and "host community" of others including commercial landfilling operations (a hazardous and a sanitary-for your living pleasure)..


Go figure. Both creeks are flowing North East toward Lake Ontario and away from the old US Government Military site. These creeks do not go into any facilitiy or pipeline and are free flowing. So much for "containment" and "treatment." Next. GET A TOPOGRAPHICAL map for $25.00 from MyTOPO.com! 


MIKE OF MOUNT. says-- "areas of contamination , so as the water flows from the areas of contamination it is filtered by the soil and much of the contamination stops in the soil on the LOOW site, the reason they do that is to create a "vacuum" in the local aquifer, ground water from the area surrounding the LOOW site flows INTO the LOOW site.   so what ? you say ? "


"because if ground water from the surrounding area is always flowing in to the LOOW site,"


There is absolutely nothing further from the truth and physically impossible!


Talk to a hydrologist....OR, maybe that Dr. Tim guy of R.R.G.-R.O.L.E..he knows all about those pesky local water treatments and pipes... He stated on Dialog PodCast that he was in charge of local water safety and works for local water dept.  I believe Eagle might even know him. 


See following photos-- Just a note--I don't know if I'd get my technical information from the same local newspaper accepting advertising money from companies involved at LOOW for "Family Days."  Just a thought.



Above: Looking S , water flowing N away from LOOW.


Below: Looking NE at Route 93 - my back is to LOOW Site.



See lack of vegetation at the high water level..


Photos Copyright 2004-2005 Louis Ricciuti



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"I don't know where this information is coming from but it is a CROCK!  Sorry. Here are pictures of two seperate creeks flowing AWAY from the US Government Manhattan Engineering District--Atomic Energy Commission, NE Chemical Warfare, 2 secret Air Force factories, Lake Ontario Ordnance Works, Niagara Falls (radiological) Storage Site and "host community" of others including commercial landfilling operations (a hazardous and a sanitary-for your living pleasure).. Go figure. Both creeks are flowing North East toward Lake Ontario and away from the old US Government Military site. These creeks do not go into any facilitiy or pipeline and are free flowing. So much for "containment" and "treatment." Next. GET A TOPOGRAPHICAL map for $25.00 from MyTOPO.com!  MIKE OF MOUNT. says-- "areas of contamination , so as the water flows from the areas of contamination it is filtered by the soil and much of the contamination stops in the soil on the LOOW site, the reason they do that is to create a "vacuum" in the local aquifer, ground water from the area surrounding the LOOW site flows INTO the LOOW site.   so what ? you say ? " "because if ground water from the surrounding area is always flowing in to the LOOW site," There is absolutely nothing further from the truth and physically impossible! Talk to a hydrologist....OR, maybe that Dr. Tim guy of R.R.G.-R.O.L.E..he knows all about those pesky local water treatments and pipes... He stated on Dialog PodCast that he was in charge of local water safety and works for local water dept.  I believe Eagle might even know him.  See following photos-- Just a note--I don't know if I'd get my technical information from the same local newspaper accepting advertising money from companies involved at LOOW for "Family Days."  Just a thought. Above: Looking S , water flowing N away from LOOW. Below: Looking NE at Route 93 - my back is to LOOW Site. See lack of vegetation at the high water level.. Photos Copyright 2004-2005 Louis Ricciuti-- Edited by NuclearLou at 04:58, 2005-05-30"



ok ,    i can not document what i typed , i accepted the word of the person that explained it to me - without verifieing it - i was wrong to do that - therefore i retract what i typed above - i accept responsebility for my mistake - i imagine the person that explained that to me is having a good laugh about now , but still --- i was the one who did not verify the info i am at fault , i apologise - i will not repeat my error .


               Michael Webb



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Mr. Webb: Your reference was a letter to the editor that appeared in the Niagara Gazette, dated Monday, February 9, 2005, page 9A, titled "Activism works only when based on facts," written by Niagara River Angler's Association past official, Mr. Michael Gillis. Remember of course, that the PLUTONIUM found on the LOOW site was only about 2/10ths of a mile away from the Old Fish Hatchery (getting the picture) and might have an impact on people wanting to join the "fission club" on Balmer Road. They do encourage "families and children" in their catch and release program..That you can certainly check out at:


http://niagarariveranglers.com/Wilderness%20Preserve2.htm


In fact, I encourage you to see for yourself how close people are being allowed to the CWM-LOOW Pu detect site--and PLEASE ADDRESS this with your thoughts and efforts.


Sincerely,


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Grab this pic and enlarge for the view.


Yep, it's rough and dirty--but it'll have to do.


According to THAT GUY, oh wait, that's me, there's Moon fuel, atomics


and even some biological experiments buried out there--


and then someone thought a school would be an idea.


That was a real good idea..???


 Louis Ricciuti



-- Edited by NuclearLou at 20:45, 2005-05-30

-- Edited by NuclearLou at 08:52, 2005-06-01

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-- Edited by alwayswatching at 09:42, 2005-06-10

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Time for us to know the truth..

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See lack of vegetation at the high water level.. Photos Copyright 2004-2005 Louis Ricciuti-- Edited by NuclearLou at 04:58, 2005-05-30




The photographs in this post are intended to distort the facts.  The first one shows signs of spring thaw,  look for the snow.  This would explain the lack of new vegetation and high water level.

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"Distort the facts?" Like what facts? That water runs off the LOOW site? That the vegetation doesn't grow under water? That this water carries contaminants? Read the entire thread. Like 5 or 6 months ago--just now taking pot shots at what I said...what, did you just now get out of prison?


If you would have looked a little closer, you might see a big white trash bag that you think is snow--thanks anonymous.


I'm distorting the facts and signing my name. Yep, sure!



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     I think they are doing this on the Gazette ,too,Go have a look!

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what are they doing on the gazette?

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LEWISTON
County Health Department launches project to study nuclear waste site
By NANCY A. FISCHER
NEWS NIAGARA BUREAU
11/22/2005




LEWISTON - Although the 7,500-acre site has been studied and monitored since 1944, the Niagara County Health Department this year launched the Lake Ontario Ordnance Works Project to provide a comprehensive overview and put an end to the legacy of mistrust between the community and the government.

County Public Health Director Paulette Kline was joined by project Coordinator Scott King on Monday in making a presentation to the public on what the LOOW Project hopes to accomplish over the next two years. Nuclear waste from the World War II atomic bomb project is buried at the site.

Kline said the project has more than half of the needed $200,000 in funding in place and plans to present findings in 2007.

"Our ultimate goal is to ensure public safety and trust," King said.

King said a geographic information system data base of maps is being put together, which will provide a great tool and allow people to look at information on a wide scale.

King, who pointed to a list of dozens of chemicals on the site from acetone to uranium as well as PCBs and explosives, said scientists will look at potential gaps in studies as well as duplications of LOOW investigations.

King, who said there were several ongoing investigations, said, "We want to make sure we don't duplicate, but feed into these studies. We are not going to take samples. We are looking at existing work. If no samples are taken then we will have found a data gap."

Joseph A. Gardella Jr., professor of chemistry at the University at Buffalo, has volunteered to lead the portion of the project to create the database. "We will be applying 2005 decision standards. We will look at the decisions made now, not 35-year-old chemical information. We will apply what we know now about toxicity and health risks. This is data gap analysis," said Gardella.

"Digital information is not easily put together with historical data. It's not always easy to digitize an aerial map," he said.

Gardella said there is no comprehensive, historical study going on like this in the United States and noted that few in the country have this kind of information available.

Gardella also said he is optimistic foundations would consider contributing to the project.

Kline said the last leg of funding, $95,000 in federal funds, has not been received, and state Sen. George Maziarz, R-Newfane, urged residents to contact their federal representatives.

County Legislator Clyde Burmaster, who represents the Town of Porter and is on the LOOW committee, called the project "a new, modern, high-tech approach to study all of the past site work."

"In the past it was difficult to obtain information. Some have been in denial, but this team refuses to be denied," Burmaster said.

Kline said the project team plans to have community meetings and to make the information available on the Internet.

King said setting up a Web site was temporarily put aside due to the cost.

Those who have any data or information to share regarding the LOOW are asked to contact King at 913-8950.



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And what do you think of this news anonymous? Do you think this is good?

I think it's all a crock of bullPucky. I've posted this before with citations about their (NCHD-Niagara Health Science Project) grant language saying that "they don't want another Love Canal public relations crisis." Go back and look for those comments. They're here on this blog forum. Niagara County Health Department is a part of the problem. Why is $200K needed to accumulate documents? They better start evacuating areas. Anyone ever hear of a 'Radioactive Plume?' Study that.
$200K in studies is not what's needed now. A medical doctor (toxicologist) has already called these conditions "manifest"--meaning no further study is needed that health effects have already become apparent. There's a radio broadcast from one of Scott's shows. You can go listen.

Why this posting with no comment? Thanks for posting it though.

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http://buffalonews.com/editorial/20051122/1024165.asp


 


 



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And your point anonymous? If an anonymous can really have any point--it would be to place that link about heart disease here on the LOOW site for what reason? I'm all over the Internet saying this same thing. 


Do you think that these two things are related? Is that why you posted this story link here?


Thanks. I wonder why this isn't mentioned in the article?  As a matter of fact, previously in another article, this same doctor said the cardiac disease increase was related to the new casino and the excitment of winning and the anxiety of losing. Then Mrs. Clinton said it here. Go figure that one out!  Hmm.


Thanks anyway for the link Jen.


By the way--this isn't new info,


BUFFALO NEWS NIAGARA SECTION
City&Region

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks Thursday in Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center.

NIAGARA FALLS - Niagara County leads the nation in heart disease, and the odds of having a heart attack increased dramatically after the Seneca Niagara Casino opened here on New Year's Eve, hospital officials said Thursday. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., who was at Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center vowing to push for federal funds to help build a new $10 million cardiac center, was stunned by that information. "Casinos are a major stress factor in causing heart attacks, especially if you lose," said Dr. Michael E. Merhige, a Mayo Clinic-trained cardiologist who recently joined the staff at Niagara Falls Memorial.



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That's why it is there.I thought you could add to it.I know you know tons on this.


I thought you could shed real light on it.



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Talk to a hydrologist....OR, maybe that Dr. Tim guy of R.R.G.-R.O.L.E..he knows all about those pesky local water treatments and pipes... He stated on Dialog PodCast that he was in charge of local water safety and works for local water dept.  I believe Eagle might even know him. 


 


Ya think,


The pipe line you bet it was there.We all protested it in the late 70's.Hello



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Yeah, I remember the pipeline too. Did you think I said it wasn't there? I have a feel for this now. Do you remember the bowling balls? Is this you Dovey-ness? Did you forget to log in? A question: Is Doveyness and Dovey the same? I'm confused here with the new and improved Dovey-ness.
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Much, much better separation.

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Big release of some kind or steam cloud over Lewiston area tonight. Does anyone know what it was?

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Don't know but will call a fireman friend of mine to see what they know.

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TOWN OF LEWISTON
Board rescinds vote affecting waste firm
By NANCY A. FISCHER
NEWS NIAGARA BUREAU
12/13/2005




LEWISTON - The Town Board members Monday rescinded its vote of two weeks ago that potentially could have led to the expansion of Chemical Waste Management, the only hazardous waste dump in the Northeast.

The board had agreed to complete a study that could allow the Lewiston-Porter Water Pollution Control Center to receive a permit to treat specialized waste, including waste from hospitals and leachate from Chemical Waste Management.

The board received a letter from County Legislators Lee Simonson and Clyde Burmaster and Legislature Chairman William Ross that warned any study that could lead to accepting CWM waste was "ill-advised."

"CWM discharges millions of gallons of waste water into the Niagara River each year from its own pretreatment plant. The company proposes to send this waste water to Lewiston's plant, requiring Lewiston to expand its capabilities. The result would, in effect, assist CWM in adding a new hazardous waste landfill," the letter said.

Councilman Michael Johnson called for rescinding the earlier action. Councilman Daniel Kilmer agreed but said he was "appalled at the county getting involved."

"I'm against it. It's blood money," said Councilman John Ceretto of the $100,000 the plant could receive annually to treat the leachate from CWM.

Supervisor Fred Newlin said the treated water going through the Lewiston sewage plant and into the river could expose the town to future liability if anything is ever found in the water.

However, Councilman D. James Langlois, the only board member to vote to go ahead with the study, called the vote to rescind caving in to "political pressure."

"Why are you so afraid to complete a study? It's very necessary to have this permit in place to accept streams from hospitals and dental offices," Langlois said.

Newlin countered, "No one has approached us about a pretreatment program, except CWM."

In another matter, the board tabled a plan to sell 11 acres of town parkland on Creek Road to developer Michael Dowd and Old Creek Links for use as a golf course. The $147,000 sale to Dowd was tabled because he was not present to answer questions.


 


 


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