All in this Together

mike of the mountain · Senior Member

RE: All in this Together

alwayswatching · Guru

-- Edited by alwayswatching at 11:08, 2005-06-10

James Hufnagel · Veteran Member

AlwaysKvetching,

<You’re timing never ceases to amaze me Mr Hufnagel. If you were so opposed to the way they do things, why get them all that press? You say you didn't want to detract from what they were doing. Then you explain how they were doing it wrong from the get go. Oh come on, this looks like band wagon jumping to me. Pick a cause and stay with it, stop group jumping!>

I got them press when I was still an active member. As I remember, they never really believed I was going to do it until I showed up in a barrel and asked somebody to drive me to Albany.

Now that I'm satisfied the PCB's aren't coming, I don't care if I detract from them because now they're pretty superfluous and they way they screwed us in the past has been festering within me for some time. If anyone including Lou Riccuiti told them about the PCB's not coming, they never turned around and passed along that information, at least not to me.

In any event, I don't know why Riccuiti didn't announce to the world that he had information that the PCB's weren't coming. Why would he simply tip off the RRG leaders and leave it at that when they didn't act on it and shift their focus to plutonium?

It might not have been Sperazza that threw out the case, it might have been Fricano, I might have gotten that wrong.

Anyway, c'mon alwayswanking, serve up some tough questions or Forum posters are going to suspect I'm you.

alwayswatching · Guru

-- Edited by alwayswatching at 11:09, 2005-06-10

mike of the mountain · Senior Member

this is kinda off topic but i thought this should stay near the top ;

so ;

AFX News Limited
Japan planning to ship radioactive soil to US - reports
06.12.2005, 09:50 AM

TOKYO (AFX) - Japan plans to ship radioactive soil left behind by a government nuclear fuel development body to the United States for disposal, reports said.

About 290 cubic meters of soil with a relatively high surface radiation level are likely to be shipped from the western Japanese town of Yurihama, Jiji Press and Kyodo news agencies said.

The soil is part of the 3,000 cubic meters left by the Japan Nuclear Cycle Development Institute.

According to the institute's plan, a US firm will dispose of the soil in the United States at a total cost of more than 600 mln yen, Kyodo quoted sources as saying.

It remains to be seen what will be done with the remaining soil, it said.

The plan, if realized, will open the way for a solution to a long-standing legal row between the local community and the institute, the sources were quoted as saying.

The soil originated from test-drilling of uranium by the institute's predecessor, the Power Reactor and Nuclear Fuel Development Corp, or Donen, in the 1950s and 1960s, it said.

It was revealed in Aug 1988 that the soil had been left behind in Yurihama, triggering an outcry from the local community which demanded the contaminated soil, it said.

mis/sdm/swp

so where do you suppose this will go ? i dont have any answer but it does not look like something that we want anywhere in America . who thought it was a good thing to bring this here ? not i said the little green pig .

dontlookhere · Veteran Member

worthyopponent wrote:

Just finished reading some of your posts. Some of you have a good focus on the issues but you need to work together. Unless your a politician, one voice is not enough. My parents always told me that "actions speak louder than words". Since Niagara County has over 100 superfund sites and some of the most problematic schools, you would get more done if you did not focus on just one school, but all the school's that are having problems. Children and staff - past and present. We have several boisterous parents in Niagara County. Maybe someone should attend that public meeting being held in Pendleton on June 14th, 2005 (See the calendar and note the corrected date from 6/17 to 6/14). These people from Starpoint don't seem to take the problems at their school for face value. Maybe because the NCHD is involved or are they!! Where are the parents. You would think that they would be hopping mad. Question: Who is dangling the carrot and who is chasing it? -- Edited by worthyopponent at 08:57, 2005-06-05

And some of you think AW is smug!

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/environmentdec/2003b/superfundsign.html

Just to clear up one tiny mistake, NYS has over 400 contaminated sites. 235 of them are within 1/2 mile of a school. Needless to say we have a bit of a problem. Let's not forget that 11 Niagara County Schools are on this list. I'd say "all in this together" is an understatement.

Date: Mon Jun 13 8:56 PM, 2005

Are you a Republican because of this feel good link to Gov. George and his do nothing proclamation?

Kidding right? WO said "100 in NC," Not 400 in NYS. Get your's straight.

dontlookhere · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

Are you a Republican because of this feel good link to Gov. George and his do nothing proclamation? Kidding right? WO said "100 in NC," Not 400 in NYS. Get your's straight.

Facts you want, facts you get. My map produced by the CHEJ with data sources: NYSED, NYSDEC and US army Corps of Engineers lists 38 Niagara County Sites. If you have better facts, put them up. But don't think you can bully me for one second. And no I am not a republican.

shughes · Senior Member

I may not be correct here but I'll give it a shot. I think the "feel good article" was posted to draw attention to the different types of sites in the state. When speaking in broad terms you can lump them all as one. But the state has different names for several specific substances and level of contamination . Rather that come back accusing a poster of foul play, perhaps you should take the time to concider what is in front of you. If you look for evil, you will find it. Try looking for reason, you might suprise your self.

Date: Tue Jun 14 9:41 AM, 2005

Duckthingy: You shouldn't rely on just chej or Lois Gibbs' information. You have listed the DEC, EPA and the US Army. If you think for one second that you've listed all contaminated sites--with the chej map, think again. Do you really consider the Love Canal to be "off the EPA Superfund list?" Because the EPA and everyone else does--Oh, except that is, Lois herself or Louella Kenny--her kid was the one that died after coming into contact with what is now known as Black Creek.

Do you believe that the canal has stopped leaking? Additionally, are you mentioning EPA "archived sites." No, you are not. Do you have any other references besides what you have provided here. I can list 100 additional contaminated sites for you in Niagara County with one document. Do they have to be on the Superfund list to "qualify?" None of these others are on it.

We ARE ALL IN THIS Together--there was NO bullying. YOU poked your head in with State Level Opinion and Propaganda, and even a link. Thanks. But still no bullying. Get a box.

Sorry for the anonymous...but Mom won't let me give my name to strange ducks.

NuclearLou · Senior Member

I thought this might help in your discussion. Each black dot represents a waste spot, location, incident, etc. This was a trial map that is or was under development by one of the agencies. I obtained this map too far back to recall exactly where, and since it is not "official" in any way. Use it for reference or "fun." I guess you could just consider this one of the toxic-dangerous overlay maps.

Since I don't recall the origin, cite me and I'll take the heat.

Cheers and have at it,

Lou Ricciuti

dontlookhere · Veteran Member

And I strange duck I am, Your mom is a wise one. I have more than 1 source of information, I chose that one because it was handy and you knew the source. You don't have to like my numbers or source, put your own up to counter them. Nuclearlou, thanks but it didn't come through, do you have a web source I can goo to? Oh and another thing Mr/Ms Anon, love canal is on my list. It is past and present sites, if you were to add those closed schools the number would be 13.

dontlookhere · Veteran Member

Strange duck here again, I think you got lost Mr/Ms Anon. I looked at your list and Buffalo and Tonawanda are in Eric county -3 there. So you take your 20 that are left, I'll give you 2 that I don't have. My 38 + your 2 makes 40, see now we are making progress. This is how you work together. Your 2 don't add to the number of schools though, but please keep looking. We are all in this together.

mike of the mountain · Senior Member

another county has come up with a partial solution regarding wells and water quality , they have passed new regulations mandateing well water testing when property is sold / transfered or every 6 years for rental properties .

Dutchess health board OKs well-testing rule

By Dan Shapley
Poughkeepsie Journal

June 17, 2005

Landlords and home sellers or buyers will need to show their wells meet safe drinking water standards about this time next year, under a rule approved Thursday by the Dutchess County Board of Health.

Well tests cost between $125-$525 now. A new fee for well permits has yet to be set.

The rule will alert home buyers to any contaminants in their wells and provide data about pockets of potentially harmful contamination that aren't identified now.

A provision that would have required tests of wells at commercial properties was removed so the board could gather more public feedback.

The drive to mandate well tests began five years ago with a group of East Fishkill residents whose wells were tainted with tetrachloroethylene, a colorless, odorless and potentially harmful chemical.

"This had to be done," board member Dr. Steve Lapidus said.

The vote was 5-0.

Of the four board members who arrived for the meeting late because of a thunderstorm, three said they would have voted in favor had they been present.

Legislator Suzanne Horn, R-Pleasant Valley, was the only member who didn't support the rule. She said she favored a bill she drafted that would offer discounted well tests to residents who want their wells tested.

"Why would one be required to apply for and pay a hefty fee for a permit simply to prove one had tested the water?" she said. "The first objective of my proposal is to encourage individuals to participate, to have the county take a more proactive approach and to educate the public."

Official raises concern

Dr. Michael Caldwell, the county health commissioner, also reiterated reservations he and County Executive William Steinhaus have about the rule. He's concerned 13 months isn't enough time to start the program.

Caldwell presented a budget request to the county last month that does not include money for the well-test program.

Legislator Bill McCabe, D-LaGrange, said he wants to see the program funded.

"I hope he's willing to amend his request," he said. "The information that will come out of this will be invaluable."

Dan Shapley can be reached at dshapley@poughkeepsiejournal.com

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the problem with the above method is most water users in niagara county do not use private wells . but most water users in dutchess county use either private wells or relatively small water supply systems that are supplied by wells , and or some water is drawn from the hudson river , depending on location and water demand .

dontlookhere · Veteran Member

Any idea what they will test for Mike? Considering how close you are to the Hudson, you might want to check that out. The can't find what they don't test for. Where I we heard that before?

mike of the mountain · Senior Member

they have a list of things to be tested for but the list is not yet finished . there is a big problem with tce and mtbe so i bet they will be high on the list . 2 superfund sights for tce less than ten miles from my location . not as bad as niagara county but we do have ibm and "Nuclear Lake" in pawling ny .

for drinking and cooking water only , we have a reverse osmosis water filter , nothing gets through , at least according to the literature . those filters are under 300 bucks around here and easy to install, and they have sediment traps , so if there was any nasty radioactive particles in anyones water it would be easy enough to check when the pre filters are replaced .

in my humble opinion every one should have a reverse osmosis water filter for drinking and cooking water .

NuclearLou · Senior Member

Mike:

Do you still have relatives that live in the Lewiston-Porter-Youngstown area and are on the water supply, correct? Then, they should all have RO filters on their water systems. I'm not sure if RO removes Pu. I do know that they remove certain radioactive materials from the water supply. If they don't have a filter then they are taking a dose internally from whatever is in the tap water. Plutonium is also known to be in the raw water of the river at Youngstown, NY.

One thing is for sure, you would be shocked to see the amount of radioactive materials that accumulate on the filters! I certainly hope that your family has a home water filter. I also hope that every family in the area can afford one. Interestingly, once the filter is used, what happens to the cartridge, membrane, etc. It just goes into a regular landfill. Odd, isn't it? The filter eventually breaks down in the landfill and any rad. material gets released once again into the environment through ground water contamination, soil contamination and into the air.

Speaking of air, I would also strongly suggest the use of an in-home HEPA air filter to filter out some of the air-borne alpha particles attached to dust. With all the soils being moved around L-P-Y-R, I'd be cautious of any dust or dirt on the roads...or in the air. ONE molecule is all it takes to cause a cancer, or, just kill you eventually by any number of health problems associated with being exposed to these materials--Which are ALL AROUND US.

That's ONE exposure. Now, add up all the chronic exposures that we are forced to take unknowingly and you will see why Roswell Park Cancer Institute is always in the expansion mode.

I will clearly state this: There is no worse exposure to radioactives than internally via drinking water.

Good health to those who can afford it,

Lou Ricciuti

Date: Wed Jun 22 6:35 AM, 2005

This is exactly what's wrong in this country and it will only get worse. IF you can afford a filter, wonderful and fine and if not drink what we give you and shut up..!

Oh wait, drink what we charge you for and then pay again for a filter, and then shut up about your water!

Can't our government even provide us with safe and healthy drinking water. I guess not--and they won't even tell you IF YOU NEED A FILTER because of water quality!!!!! Might expose the absolute corruption in all senses of that word. Niagara County is corrupt to its very core!

Date: Wed Jun 22 6:51 AM, 2005

Yeah, we're in all this together. Sure thing. That's why our country has $200 + billion dollares to fight on the other side of the planet, but not enough money to keep our own citizens in clean water! What happened to the Clean Water Act?

Date: Wed Jun 22 6:58 AM, 2005

What's the deal? I hear that there's crap in the water and then no more word about this?

Date: Wed Jun 22 7:07 AM, 2005

I'm moving to a cleaner state. This one is dirty, corrupt and expensive. Did you know there are states that actually have on-time budgets, financial surpluses, and [gasp] CLEAN WATER!!!! NY sucks.

shughes · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

What's the deal? I hear that there's crap in the water and then no more word about this?

My guess on this one, and it is only a guess. County Officials don't have any documents to prove this false. If they did they would have been shoving them down our throats 2 weeks ago. They are probably betting on people forgetting about the nasty water so they can go back to thier happy little world of darkness.

Date: Wed Jun 22 7:29 AM, 2005

Private testing is being arranged.

NuclearLou · Senior Member

Anonymous--please send me an email as we are arranging for private testing too. We may be able to combine our efforts. Pu in the water is genuinely a severe hazard.

I think SH is right--IF the officials had results refuting what was written between RRG's president Vince Agnello and Dr. Janette Sherman, M.D., they certainly would have jammed it down our throats.

Niagaranet@aol.com

Regards,

Lou R.

Lewiston-Porter-Youngstown-Ransomville, for

"THE HOTTEST CUP OF COFFEE IN NIAGARA COUNTY"

Date: Wed Jun 22 8:32 AM, 2005

Wasn't the Niagara county health department supposed to be testing around this area? It was in the newspapers a while ago. Wonder if this is where the info started to leak out?

M