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mike of the mountain


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"The Power Authority claims that there have been security upgrades since 9-11 and that they are confident they can respond to any "contingencies". The question is, how do they respond to a contingency that just exploded over the turbine room, which holds back a reservoir of 164 billion gallons of water, from the Niagara gorge and downtown Lewiston?"

James Hufnagel


 


    not having a topographic map in front of me it would be difficult to answer that accurately , but from what i remember there is a lower reservoir that could be left low or empty for the short term to catch the spill , if it should occur    it would not seem to be too difficult to make an empty dry pathway to divert extra water back to the river in the meantime .    BUT


i have been to the kensico damn , this past weekend - you are talking apple s and oranges here and you know it . there is not much alike between the two structures or surrounding areas at all .


  if the highway across the top of the generators were to be elevated and a layer of Hardening [like unto the domes over the nuclear power plants ]  with a shelf between the elevated highway and the hardening    nothing and i mean nothing availible to joe terrorist could penetrate the "dam" and cause what you describe . the blast would occur 30 feet [ or the height engineering found to be correct ] in the air and clean the dust from the surface of the blast sheild .


to blast away the sledding area of the reservoir hill would take a shaped charge of pretty exotic stuff and it would take some engineering to properly place it or them below the surface of the land , not the ammonium nitrate / heating oil type in a truck that would be availible to joe terrorist ,   which would just make big flash and a shallow crater and spray off the grass and top soil .     dragons teeth type barriers to stop trucks  could not hurt though .


  since there is so much DU availible and since it makes such great armor why not encase some of that in concrete and place it in strategicly located areas where needed to "harden"    dams  , canals , road beds , etc etc .  


and if a green house is really wanted too  ?  ok ? what can it hurt ?    seems kinda like mudflaps on a sledgehammer though ?



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I would think that the water intakes are of major concern. If we need to remove the expressway to protect us, that would include this portion of roadway as well. Because we have to be ever vigilant about terrorists, than most of the major roadways into Niagara Falls and Lewiston must also be closed. We wouldn't want to compromise national security now would we.


My take on all of this is that people are not buying into the plan to remove the parkway. The project must move forward, so poeple must believe this is for thier own good. Am I getting warm?


You have your own reasons for wanting this project to move forward. They are yours, and that is fine. But you have also been given some very compelling reasons it should not move forward. Don't you have some obligation to investigate these issues instead of shooting the messenger? What you are doing is forcing your reasons down the throats of those who disagree with you. You have documents that help support your claim but haven't produced them. What does that say for your cause. We all have documents to further our cause, but if I am asked to support my position on something, I produce them. If you don't show them they don't exist. Its like when a tree falls in the forest and no one is there.


I don't have an objection to you advancing your cause. Clean up the park way. I do think Mike is right about the timing. We have so many sites in this county that need cleaning up. This one does not rank high on the imminint danger list. Sorry, but thats the way I see it. We should be focusing on the worst of the worst right now, and worry about tourism later.


Where are the documents?



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Hello to all decent folks:


I am asking that everyone take a look at the comments left on the various threads concerning the Robert Moses Parkway issue, the "where are they?"  thread, and a couple others related to this issue.


It was just said by a member of this group that they enjoyed "baiting me,"  wasting valuable time, and that no further mention of certain documents previously ascribed as being important was made.


Unfortunately, this has caused me and a couple of others to spend and waste a certain amount of time. This is unfortunate that the writer feels that I have been baited as I see it the other way around. I have been proven valid, and the Agent Provocateur has been discredited. That's good enough for my cause.


Just as a note--the documents that the Agent Provocateur mentioned were not very important to begin with, as there are VERY FEW of any current official environmental agency documents that I have not seen. I'm still interested in any documents that may be floating around out there, I just was pretty certain that those in contention here would be rather useless considering the level of knowledge that this person has regarding the subject. What seems important to one "environmentalist" may not be so to another Environmentalist.


Thank you everyone for your support. It is very unfortunate that this has happened and I apologize to all for the efforts they expended, such as AW, MikeOfMountain and others that have offered to pick up these purported documents, offers of paying for FedEX, etc. Thanks to all.


My very best regards,


Louis Ricciuti



-- Edited by NuclearLou at 22:37, 2005-05-25

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AW:


You are absolutely correct about tourism! As a twenty year professional in the tourism business, I no longer feel comfortable inviting people here.


If I knew that my kitchen was "dirty" and potentially contaminated with a foodborne illness, would it be right to invite you over for dinner? That's the way I now feel about having people come to Niagara, the county once beautiful.


Here's a survey that should be conducted---How many visitors after leaving Niagara Falls became sick?


Lou Ricciuti



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"AW: You are absolutely correct about tourism! As a twenty year professional in the tourism business, I no longer feel comfortable inviting people here. If I knew that my kitchen was "dirty" and potentially contaminated with a foodborne illness, would it be right to invite you over for dinner? That's the way I now feel about having people come to Niagara, the county once beautiful. Here's a survey that should be conducted---How many visitors after leaving Niagara Falls became sick? Lou Ricciuti"
Just calling a spade a spade.

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"Just calling a spade a spade."
Sorry I wasn't signed in.

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Isn't that meeting today?

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Nope. No meeting today (5-3) that was a letter deadline last Friday 4-27 (good motor) according to some. Letter went to agencies. Good letter according to me. Send request, will send it to you. On record here one day. Scary movie-like letter. This is NOT Motm.


TRaDiO--looking for newer Volks Turbo Diesel or EQ for retrofit into small truck.


Suggest other? M-B?  Haynes?



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