Lockport Journal's opinion or is it personal?

alwayswatching · Guru

RE: Lockport Journal's opinion or is it personal?

jspeer · Guru

"Sorry js, I didn't proof read well enough, I removed that from the post. Reaaly off topic, but do you carry stuffed aminals for kids? If so I have some for you".
Yes we do carry stuufed animals for kids and some adults.LOL! We would definitely take them from you. Thanks

-- Edited by jspeer at 11:27, 2005-06-04

SCBan · Member

These are proven facts, not statistics. http://www.boston.com/news/specials/fires/

Fast response time = minimal damage

Slow response time = substantial damage

In fact, it is a daily event somewhere in America. Once a day on average in this country, someone dies when firefighters arrive too late, an investigation of fire response times by the National Fire Incicdent Reporting System.

Once in a while you get lucky, just like every so often you hear that someone lived through a bad car accident and did not have their seatbelt on, a rare occurrence but once in a great while it happens.

Date: Sat Jun 4 11:47 AM, 2005

A mobil home burn's in 7 min's.

Date: Sat Jun 4 3:34 PM, 2005

Anonymous wrote:

A mobil home burn's in 7 min's.

That is a fact that I won't disbute. However, the mobil home communities are under the jurisdiction of the volunteer's, not the city fd. You can do better than that.

Date: Sat Jun 4 3:53 PM, 2005

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: A mobil home burn's in 7 min's. That is a fact that I won't disbute. However, the mobil home communities are under the jurisdiction of the volunteer's, not the city fd. You can do better than that.

So true.People you still need firemen.Volunteer or city fd.Never forget who was in the thick of it with 9/11.Not every mobil home is in a community....If the city must save money,tell them some dead beat must go.Your firemen you need.

alwayswatching · Guru

Ok lets make a list of the deadbeats that are a proven financial drain to the City of Lockport. Make sure you have the actual dollar amount and we will see how much money that saves. Then we can take it to the next budget meeting and show them the plan. Nice and simple.

alwayswatching · Guru

alwayswatching wrote:

Ok lets make a list of the deadbeats that are a proven financial drain to the City of Lockport. Make sure you have the actual dollar amount and we will see how much money that saves. Then we can take it to the next budget meeting and show them the plan. Nice and simple.

Well look at this no response, all I am hearing is "the sound of silence...". Where are those numbers? Time to put you money where your mouth is.

SCBan · Member

Get outside and enjoy the day like everyone else.

Date: Sun Jun 5 3:09 PM, 2005

The decision is not the US&J editors or publisher. It's the stockholders making thiscall. Get to the paper and stop in-fighting. This isn't the only issue the paper screws up on!!!

jspeer · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

The decision is not the US&J editors or publisher. It's the stockholders making thiscall. Get to the paper and stop in-fighting. This isn't the only issue the paper screws up on!!!

Try again...this time proof read. You make no sense dude!

Date: Mon Jun 6 7:09 AM, 2005

alwayswatching wrote:

alwayswatching wrote:
Ok lets make a list of the deadbeats that are a proven financial drain to the City of Lockport. Make sure you have the actual dollar amount and we will see how much money that saves. Then we can take it to the next budget meeting and show them the plan. Nice and simple.
Well look at this no response, all I am hearing is "the sound of silence...". Where are those numbers? Time to put you money where your mouth is.

Looked for the payroll list that was in the paper last year. Can' find it on the web. Not even searching on US&J's site helps.

alwayswatching · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

alwayswatching wrote: alwayswatching wrote: Ok lets make a list of the deadbeats that are a proven financial drain to the City of Lockport. Make sure you have the actual dollar amount and we will see how much money that saves. Then we can take it to the next budget meeting and show them the plan. Nice and simple. Well look at this no response, all I am hearing is "the sound of silence...". Where are those numbers? Time to put you money where your mouth is. Looked for the payroll list that was in the paper last year. Can' find it on the web. Not even searching on US&J's site helps.

Here come the excuses, put your boots on everyone!

Nitrogen_Widget · Senior Member

alwayswatching wrote:

Anonymous wrote: alwayswatching wrote: alwayswatching wrote: Ok lets make a list of the deadbeats that are a proven financial drain to the City of Lockport. Make sure you have the actual dollar amount and we will see how much money that saves. Then we can take it to the next budget meeting and show them the plan. Nice and simple. Well look at this no response, all I am hearing is "the sound of silence...". Where are those numbers? Time to put you money where your mouth is. Looked for the payroll list that was in the paper last year. Can' find it on the web. Not even searching on US&J's site helps. Here come the excuses, put your boots on everyone!

If it's so simple,

Why don't you provide a list.

I'll provide the pen to check the names off.

alwayswatching · Guru

Nitrogen_Widget wrote:

alwayswatching wrote: Anonymous wrote: alwayswatching wrote: alwayswatching wrote: Ok lets make a list of the deadbeats that are a proven financial drain to the City of Lockport. Make sure you have the actual dollar amount and we will see how much money that saves. Then we can take it to the next budget meeting and show them the plan. Nice and simple.

Well look at this no response, all I am hearing is "the sound of silence...". Where are those numbers? Time to put you money where your mouth is.

Looked for the payroll list that was in the paper last year. Can' find it on the web. Not even searching on US&J's site helps. Here come the excuses, put your boots on everyone!

If it's so simple, Why don't you provide a list. I'll provide the pen to check the names off.

My dear NW, so very kind of you to offer the pen. If you would be so kind as to reread this thread, you will see that I offered and explanation of why money is tight. This suggestion was my reply to a rather small-minded attempt to divert attention away from reason. I completely understand the financial implications to the taxpayers of Lockport. Others on this thread do not appear to have concern for those who pay them. I have no need to locate the documentation referred to above, as I know what it says. It will not help further the cause of these spoiled public employees. Be part of the solution not the problem.

Nitrogen_Widget · Senior Member

alwayswatching wrote:

Nitrogen_Widget wrote: alwayswatching wrote: Anonymous wrote: alwayswatching wrote: alwayswatching wrote: Ok lets make a list of the deadbeats that are a proven financial drain to the City of Lockport. Make sure you have the actual dollar amount and we will see how much money that saves. Then we can take it to the next budget meeting and show them the plan. Nice and simple. Well look at this no response, all I am hearing is "the sound of silence...". Where are those numbers? Time to put you money where your mouth is. Looked for the payroll list that was in the paper last year. Can' find it on the web. Not even searching on US&J's site helps. Here come the excuses, put your boots on everyone! If it's so simple, Why don't you provide a list. I'll provide the pen to check the names off. My dear NW, so very kind of you to offer the pen. If you would be so kind as to reread this thread, you will see that I offered and explanation of why money is tight. This suggestion was my reply to a rather small-minded attempt to divert attention away from reason. I completely understand the financial implications to the taxpayers of Lockport. Others on this thread do not appear to have concern for those who pay them. I have no need to locate the documentation referred to above, as I know what it says. It will not help further the cause of these spoiled public employees. Be part of the solution not the problem.

Your responce to what you call a small minded person had a tone of smugness I didn't care for.

You challanged someone to draw up a list with exact numbers.

You claim to have this info.

Therefore why not post it?

If you wish, I can start a new thread so as not to be accused of distracting from whatever else it was you said.

alwayswatching · Guru

"Your responce to what you call a small minded person had a tone of smugness I didn't care for.

You challanged someone to draw up a list with exact numbers.

You claim to have this info.

therefore why not post it?

If you wish, I can start a new thread so as not to be accused of distracting from whatever else it was you said."

Oh no how will I ever sleep again? NW, this could stand for many things, doesn't care for my smugness. May need the chief over here on standby.

Ok lets reread one more time nw, this time take it slower. I never claimed to have these documunts, but do know what they say. Spoiled public employees are the first group to point fingers at everyone else. They think it makes them look more like the wounded party. What it really does is makes them look like children. Listen up kids, no increase in your allowance.

If you are going to fly off the handle, you should be very sure of your statements. I'm not the least bit distracted, but can't speak for the others.

DadsaFF · Novice

Alwayswatching wrote:

"I have no need to locate the documentation referred to above, as I know what it says. It will not help further the cause of these spoiled public employees."

Spoiled public employees? Spoiled? They do not get paid enough and border on underpaid for the work they do. Until you walk a mile in their boots I suggest you take back the "spoiled" comment.

-- Edited by DadsaFF at 11:24, 2005-06-06

alwayswatching · Guru

DFF read the whole thread, my first post supports the work they do and how well they do it. However, that does not change my opinion that they are behaving like spoiled children. This is not the place for these discussions. In my opinion this is boardering negotiating in public. They should know better. How will they be served if the city files a unfair negotiations complaint. Will the over taxed community come to their defence? Just keep pushing the "we deserve mentality" and see what the community has to say.

DadsaFF · Novice

Sorry, I did not read the whole post. I am glad you are supportive of the fireman.

kspeer · Senior Member

Dad'saff, why did you edit your post? Those facts should be known.

-- Edited by kspeer at 11:38, 2005-06-06

Nitrogen_Widget · Senior Member

AW - There is no flying off the handle. I do not care how you sleep at night or if you do. Don’t turn my questioning your posts into me calling you out.

I read your post.

I am talking about your changing the subject to wasteful positions in city government or what I perceived as a challenge to bring such info to light & then taunting the individual when he didn’t have access to info I suspected you already had.

You seem to be hung up on the exact words of my question.

Do you or do you or do you not know the information you were daring someone to post?

Don't avoid the question.

If you have read or seen something then you must possess some knowledge of it.

And if you do have this knowledge then why not just post it?

I suppose as a tax payer I can just go down to city hall & request a copy of the city budget & look it up myself, but I’ll have to wait until my day off for that & I’m not sure when that will be.

Date: Mon Jun 6 11:56 AM, 2005

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Nitrogen_Widget · Senior Member

alwayswatching wrote:

DFF read the whole thread, my first post supports the work they do and how well they do it. However, that does not change my opinion that they are behaving like spoiled children. This is not the place for these discussions. In my opinion this is boardering negotiating in public. They should know better. How will they be served if the city files a unfair negotiations complaint. Will the over taxed community come to their defence? Just keep pushing the "we deserve mentality" and see what the community has to say.

Where is the place?

The firemen can't be heard in the paper.

The paper only seems to print what the mayor says.

There is no 2 sides to the story in the US&J.

Even the articles on their web site dissapear when too many pro firemen posts are made, where other topics with no comment activity have been up for months.

The US&J is the most available medium for news in the city & it never seems to print anything from the persepctive of the firemen themselves.

Well, the website doesn't let them.

I wouldn't waste a penny on the US&J or the Buffalo News so I don't read the paper itself.

I am also not fireman or related to one.

I just don't care much for biased news stories.

alwayswatching · Guru

kspeer wrote:

Dad'saff, why did you edit your post? Those facts should be known.-- Edited by kspeer at 11:38, 2005-06-06

Ks, I think it was pulled because the whole story was not known yet. You are right, those facts are important. But they were used to take me down a peg using the wrong assumptions. I think thats why they were pulled.

So I'm going to be very clear. I support the LPFD, because they do a very difficult job and do it well. I do not support the way they are behaving. They don't seem to understand that this community can not afford anymore. And yes, they are acting like children.