Confederate Flag

maitai · Member

Confederate Flag

Scott Leffler · Guru

I certainly don't propose banning OR burning the flag. I simply propose prudence. Know why you're flying the flag. And know that it offends people. Doing so as a historical account is sensical and I would agree that it's a good idea. But I doubt the driver of the Confederate-flag-flapping-pickup was wearing his confederate uniform around Niagara County all weekend (assuming your hypothesis to be true), so why fly the flag in between sites. Fold it up ... properly ... and unfurl it at your next event.

Paper Tigress · Veteran Member

maitai wrote:

Scott, did you realize that the Flag and Pickup truck you saw was probably the same pick-up truck that was parked at Ida Fritz park all weekend (memorial day), was on it's way to take part in the re-enactment of the Civil War that they held there Friday through Monday? The confederate flag flew all weekend over there. Canon's were blasting, and the re-enacters delighted the neighbothood kids and passersby with historical stories and facts. It was quite an education. Like it or not, the confederate flag is an important part of our nations history and how we got to where we are today. Do you propose banning (or burning) the flag rather than teach our children about American History?

Personally, I don't care for war re-enactors. I think war is something that should not be re-lived for our children to learn from. I don't care for the Confederate flag, because of the principles it stood for. Flags are symbols, and they stand as reflections of those who fly them.

Many things, such as slavery, genocide and the Reagan Years are an integral part of our history. Does that mean we need to shackle minorities or feign shooting Indians from horseback to learn about these dark times in our history? I hope not. We need to read more and 'watch' less history in movies and on TV... maybe we're becoming too visual a culture?

James Hufnagel · Veteran Member

PT all very good points.

If we’re going to save mankind we need to turn leadership of our governments over to women. Women, in general, have different approaches to conflict resolution, are less concerned about amassing money and power, and have an innate sense of sustainability and stewardship of the planet. There would be a lot less war and suffering if we did.

I think electing Sen. Clinton president would be a real good start.

Date: Thu Jun 2 6:55 PM, 2005

Sen Clinton is less concerned about amassing power and money?

The very act of amassing power and money is the closest thing to true love she has ever known!

Scott Leffler · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

The very act of amassing power and money is the closest thing to true love she has ever known!

as quoted from Bircher's Weekly Vol. 27 issue 3 (also repeated in issue 18).

Date: Thu Jun 2 7:09 PM, 2005

what is "Bircher's Weekly?" Could not find any refrence to it at Google.

NuclearLou · Senior Member

"....I think war is something that should not be re-lived for our children to learn from. I don't care for the Confederate flag, because of the principles it stood for. Flags are symbols, and they stand as reflections of those who fly them."

The audience applauds!!

"...Many things, such as slavery, genocide and the Reagan Years are an integral part of our history. Does that mean we need to shackle minorities or feign shooting Indians from horseback to learn about these dark times in our history? I hope not. We need to read more and 'watch' less history in movies and on TV... maybe we're becoming too visual a culture?"

As Old Rod Serling use to say--"For a moment, if you will, on a sound stage somewhere in the foothills..Submitted for your approval"

If we could get a good CGI of Ronny on horseback shooting at slaves instead of Native Americans...and we morph that with cannons, monkeys & kids waving Nazi, Iraqi - and lets throw in that Rising Sun flag, yep, we got us a real-surreal screen play there fer sure.

THAT flag should not be "flown." Display case or education classroom are OK by me..BUT..How ya gonna stop someone? If you legislate (PLEASE NO), then you will have to have a penalty like a fine. The next thing you"lll be fined for all flag "offenses." Then there goes another free speech-personal freedom, poof gone, etc. Webster says-CONUNDRUM.

June2, 2005 Twenty Fist Century - Aren't we supposed to be too smart 4 war anyway?

NL

-- Edited by NuclearLou at 22:48, 2005-06-02

Date: Thu Jun 2 8:06 PM, 2005

NuclearLou wrote:

June2, 2005 Twenty Fist Century - Aren't we supposed to be too smart 4 war anyway?
NL

Ouch... bad place to misspell. LOL.

Date: Thu Jun 2 8:09 PM, 2005

"Many things, such as slavery, genocide and the Reagan Years are an integral part of our history. Does that mean we need to shackle minorities or feign shooting Indians from horseback to learn about these dark times in our history? I hope not. We need to read more and 'watch' less history in movies and on TV... maybe we're becoming too visual a culture?"
Why would you list the Reagan Years with such things? Look at all the great things he accomplished. Look outside your liberal box. There's a whole world moving on without you. I wonder if Liberals qualify for Affirmative Action status? They are minorities in our great country.

James Hufnagel · Veteran Member

Oh, you're so right Anon, her and Bill being Ivy League-educated attorneys, they obviously directed their career paths away from corporate law or private practice to public service for the money.

As far as power, I guess she did have the final say-so on decorating the White House.

You sure have a lot of ovaries to criticize Sen. Clinton without revealing who you are, or criticizing anyone for that matter.

Date: Thu Jun 2 8:17 PM, 2005

When they ship our planes from our military base to her home town in Arkansas, I hope they give her back to them as a package deal. The word around the base is that they are faking the closing to make Hillary look good to set her up for 2008. I'm just happy I live so close to the border so I can leave the country if she becomes the President.

Date: Thu Jun 2 8:44 PM, 2005

James Hufnagel wrote:

<Sen Clinton is less concerned about amassing power and money?The very act of amassing power and money is the closest thing to true love she has ever known!>
Oh, you're so right Anon, her and Bill being Ivy League-educated attorneys, they obviously directed their career paths away from corporate law or private practice to public service for the money.
As far as power, I guess she did have the final say-so on decorating the White House.
You sure have a lot of ovaries to criticize Sen. Clinton without revealing who you are, or criticizing anyone for that matter.

I have the usual number of ovaries, thanks - and neither an old egomaniac like you or Hillary will ever get near them. OH NO... I am anonymous and criticizing your political goddess. That is so un-American of me. How will you sleep without howling at the moon tonight?

As much as you enjoy baiting Lou and everyone else, you think you would get used to being a total pariah by now.

Scott Leffler · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

what is "Bircher's Weekly?" Could not find any refrence to it at Google.

Sorry - apparently, my poor excuse for a joke mis-fired. Look up John Birch Society. Now it'll make more sense.

Scott Leffler · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

When they ship our planes from our military base to her home town in Arkansas, I hope they give her back to them as a package deal. The word around the base is that they are faking the closing to make Hillary look good to set her up for 2008. I'm just happy I live so close to the border so I can leave the country if she becomes the President.

You're kidding me, right? Who is this "they" and why are "they" helping Hillary Clinton? Is it the "they" Democratic administration? The "they" Democratic majority in the House of Representatives? The "they" Democratic majority in the Senate? Or the "they" Democratic operatives in the Pentagon trying to help Hillary out? Think just for a minute about your assanine assertion before spreading it. If "they" were trying to help Tommy Boy in that fashion, at least that's plausable. But even that is too X-Files for me. Sorry, you're just pulling "they" out your @$$ cause there must not have been enough bad spelling or grammer to criticize.

jspeer · Guru

Why do I have to get the Dummies trying to sound smart on my side Scott? I would have to agree. What kind of back asswards crap are you trying to fling at us Anon. Usually this kind of conspiracy theory stuff comes from the left Or from a Mike Moore movie.LOL!

NuclearLou · Senior Member

Thanks for the catch anonymous. lol

alwayswatching · Guru

Scott Leffler wrote:

Anonymous wrote: When they ship our planes from our military base to her home town in Arkansas, I hope they give her back to them as a package deal. The word around the base is that they are faking the closing to make Hillary look good to set her up for 2008. I'm just happy I live so close to the border so I can leave the country if she becomes the President. You're kidding me, right? Who is this "they" and why are "they" helping Hillary Clinton? Is it the "they" Democratic administration? The "they" Democratic majority in the House of Representatives? The "they" Democratic majority in the Senate? Or the "they" Democratic operatives in the Pentagon trying to help Hillary out? Think just for a minute about your assanine assertion before spreading it. If "they" were trying to help Tommy Boy in that fashion, at least that's plausable. But even that is too X-Files for me. Sorry, you're just pulling "they" out your @$$ cause there must not have been enough bad spelling or grammer to criticize.

So Scott, how do you really feel about this? Don't hold back now.

Date: Fri Jun 3 4:30 AM, 2005

Flags, fags & hags RE: Confederate Flag

Scott Leffler · Guru

RE: Confederate Flag

James Hufnagel · Veteran Member

I said Clinton would be a good president, and that makes her my political goddess? Anonymous, it's understandable that a reactionary like yourself would see the world in terms of extremes.

Oh no, do you mean, (gasp) you think I should be voted off the Forum island? I don't deserve to be part of your online universe?

How about if I change my handle to Pariah Carey? Pariah Heep? Pope Pariah I?

Anyway, please elaborate on what your specific problems are with Hillary, and in particular, why you live in New York State if she makes your life so hellish. Do you have the same problems with Schumer, or is he less threatening to you than a female in a leadership role?

alwayswatching · Guru

"How about if I change my handle to Pariah Carey? Pariah Heep?"

These two have a nice ring to them, give it some thought.