Scott Leffler wrote:

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mike of the mountain wrote: the demon-crats and liberals are somehow fantasizing and claim our Great President stole 2 elections ? which is pure blarney , -  and then we have an obviously rigged election in an enemy country that we are about to be at war with  and they think " this is democracy " ?    we need to find an antidote to what they are suffering from . Mike, Most liberals only think W "stole" one election. The second, most believe, he won legitimately ... although, it was still an atrocity. :) But explain to me how this election in Iran was "obviously rigged" cause I wasnt' ther e to see it. My original point, Mike, was that we like democracy ... but only when it works the way we pre-arrange. Otherwise, we're much more fond of installing brutal dictators.

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ok , this link is from debka.com , an internet news site based in israel , allegedlly fed by israeli intelligence .     they are ussually very accurate .  note that near the bottom of the text here we see that iran is actually governed / ruled by an un elected monarch ... the guy elected in the sham election answers to the monarch and the monarchs council ,    This is not an example of democracy .

http://www.debka.com/article_print.php?aid=1046

here is the first few paragraphs that convey the message i want to convey , the link has the entire summation of the developing problem to the date it was published .

Exclusive Analysis

June 25, 2005, 8:38 PM (GMT+02:00)

A virtual nobody on Iran’s national scene, Tehran mayor Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, 49, was picked by Iran’s radical Islamic leaders and swung ahead of the presidential race to deal “the heaviest psychological blow to Iran’s enemies.” Those words were uttered by the new president in his first post-election statement Saturday, June 25. They attested to the fact that Iran had chosen him as its tool for getting back at the Bush administration for seeking to bring regime change and democracy to the Middle East and Iran in particular.

Everyone but the radical wire-pullers in Tehran was surprised by the victory of a candidate whom most of the Iranian electorate had never heard of. He beat the familiar former president Hashemi Rafsanjani by a resounding 62%: 35%. But nothing had been left to chance. Ahmadinejad was thrust into the presidency by careful engineering, organization and the deployment of every single cog the powerful machine of the heavily centralized government could muster. The Revolutionary Guards in which the candidate once served as an officer was brought into play. With the help too of massive vote-rigging, the ruling clique could cynically claim to have achieved regime change through the ballot box - only it turned out to be more Islamic, more militant, and more Iranian than before.

DEBKAfile’s Iran experts note that this is the second victory Iran’s unelected spiritual ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has scored against Washington in a month.

In early June, the Bush administration quietly gave up hope of the European-Iranian diplomatic track – or even UN Security Council penalties - persuading Tehran to relinquish its nuclear weapons program. The European option was dropped after of Britain and Germany edged away from a showdown with Tehran over uranium enrichment. The notion of UN sanctions was set aside when it became obvious that China and Russia would veto a Security Council oil embargo against Iran.