BRIAN GREAR SHOWS SUCH DISRESPECT FOR TOWN LAWS and he wants to be Sheriff??

shughes · Senior Member

RE: BRIAN GREAR SHOWS SUCH DISRESPECT FOR TOWN LAWS and he wants to be Sheriff??

Nitrogen_Widget · Senior Member

I think it's really sad when people turn into political pitbulls & rabidly attack the silliest things in the silliest way. It just makes them look silly.

Mr. Sacco, If it keeps you from sleeping at night why don't you lodge a complaint & have it removed?

I'm sure it'll be gone by the weekend as soon as you do.

Wad963 · Member

Sacco give it up. This is the lamest complaint I have heard and you continue to push it regardless of the logic of those saying you are wrong. It doesn't matter if the law is still 'on the books' if it is unconstitutional, it isn't a law. Therefore you can't break it. Stop arguing it, you lost, your political motivations have been exposed and no one cares about the sign. Find something better to do with your time, like getting garage sale signs taken down after the sale ends.

-- Edited by Wad963 at 13:54, 2005-08-03

Mindcrime · Guru

Threads like this, which are much ado about nothing, make me think there's a Swift Boat Veterans Against Signs group out there. Note how they tear down just one candidate, despite the wrongdoing of any others?

Scott Leffler · Guru

Mindcrime wrote:

Threads like this, which are much ado about nothing, make me think there's a Swift Boat Veterans Against Signs group out there.

shughes · Senior Member

Does anyone know how to contact the bumper sticker police? I was at the fair yesterday and saw Grear bumper stickers all over the place. I'm sure there must be some old law that is being violated! Are you allowed to put bumper stickers on other objects in Niagara County more than 30 days before an election? And what about those people wearing the Brian Grear shirts? Just plain madness, where does it stop!!!

So does anyone know how to get one of those shirts?

Date: Thu Aug 4 1:38 PM, 2005

anyone noticed the yellow beilien for sheriff signs on campbell blvd?????

shughes · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

anyone noticed the yellow beilien for sheriff signs on campbell blvd?????

Would that be in the Town of Pendelton?

jspeer · Guru

shughes wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
anyone noticed the yellow beilien for sheriff signs on campbell blvd?????
Would that be in the Town of Pendelton?

Mr. Sacco, you care to answer? I guess they both show no respect for the law...right Jim?

Scott Leffler · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

anyone noticed the yellow beilien for sheriff signs on campbell blvd?????

Like this one?

Found 8/5 at 11:00 a.m. Campbell Boulevard near 31.

shughes · Senior Member

That sure looks like a sign to me, how many are out there?

jspeer · Guru

So Mr Sacco...who are you gonna vote for now? I'm just wondering if you are gonna give Mr Belein a public ass reaming like you did Mr. Grear. At least Brian's isn't an actual sign on a post. So technically he's not breaking your illegal law.

Jim Sacco · Senior Member

As I said, restrictions had been placed on political signs to be one month before the election (at least those I know in Pendleton are).

If you look at the calendar, you should note that there is a primary election in one month.

As I have said, Mr. Grear has had his political advertisement up since at least the beginning of July when I took the picture. That is two months before the primary election and a clear sign of disrespect for local laws and ordinances.

And some of you people want him to be the chief law enforcement officer of Niagara County??

I shutter to think of having someone like Mr. Grear in that position. What other laws could he ignore in that postion?

P.S. The northern limit of the Town of Pendleton is Robinson Road/Lockport Road.

Date: Sat Aug 6 7:12 AM, 2005

mr. sacco,

that sign has been up at least a week on the WESTERN side of pendelton. so if we were to continue nit-picking about the legalities of this ordinance, it is and was just as technically illegal as the grear "sign".

however since we are nit-picking and you appear so well informed, what is the exact verbage of this ordinance?

shughes · Senior Member

Jim Sacco wrote:

As I said, restrictions had been placed on political signs to be one month before the election (at least those I know in Pendleton are). If you look at the calendar, you should note that there is a primary election in one month. As I have said, Mr. Grear has had his political advertisement up since at least the beginning of July when I took the picture. That is two months before the primary election and a clear sign of disrespect for local laws and ordinances. And some of you people want him to be the chief law enforcement officer of Niagara County?? I shutter to think of having someone like Mr. Grear in that position. What other laws could he ignore in that postion? P.S. The northern limit of the Town of Pendleton is Robinson Road/Lockport Road.

Oh nice try Mr Sacco. The primaries are on 9-13-05, today is 8-6-05. Your boy has been busted! Did you know that he is legally obligated to follow all laws or he could be removed from office. How can I vote for someone that thumbs his nose at his oath of office like that?

Jim Sacco · Senior Member

shughes wrote:

Jim Sacco wrote: As I said, restrictions had been placed on political signs to be one month before the election (at least those I know in Pendleton are). If you look at the calendar, you should note that there is a primary election in one month. As I have said, Mr. Grear has had his political advertisement up since at least the beginning of July when I took the picture. That is two months before the primary election and a clear sign of disrespect for local laws and ordinances. And some of you people want him to be the chief law enforcement officer of Niagara County?? I shutter to think of having someone like Mr. Grear in that position. What other laws could he ignore in that postion? P.S. The northern limit of the Town of Pendleton is Robinson Road/Lockport Road.

shughes response: Oh nice try Mr Sacco. The primaries are on 9-13-05, today is 8-6-05. Your boy has been busted! Did you know that he is legally obligated to follow all laws or he could be removed from office. How can I vote for someone that thumbs his nose at his oath of office like that?

Nice try shughes,

If you read my message, you would learn that Mr. Beilein's sign is not in the Town of Pendleton.

Mr. Grear clearly shows a disrespect for local laws. To me, he is no better than the Sheriffs that were in office before Beilein.

Sheriff Beilein brought decency and respect back to the Sheriff's office. Let's keep it that way.

shughes · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

mr. sacco, that sign has been up at least a week on the WESTERN side of pendelton. so if we were to continue nit-picking about the legalities of this ordinance, it is and was just as technically illegal as the grear "sign". however since we are nit-picking and you appear so well informed, what is the exact verbage of this ordinance?

Yes I read your post Mr Sacco, but I also read this one. Face it your guy was just as wrong if not more so because of the whole oath of office issue. Perhaps the Grear campaign should read the oath of office and see what else your boy may have done. Perhaps they can get a copy from the ethics board.

Date: Sat Aug 6 5:07 PM, 2005

mr. sacco,

whoops think i made a mistake. my last post stated that the sign was on the west side of the town of pendelton, but i was mistaken. it is actually on the east side of pendelton, sorry for my geographical error. as you can see by the picture posted previously on this thread, that sign sits on the west side of campbell blvd which is in fact the town of pendelton.

still waiting on your response as far as the wording of that town ordinance......

shughes · Senior Member

My apologies Mr Sacco. Sorry guys that sign is not in Pendelton, it would have to be south of Lockport rd. That still doesn’t give the issue any merit but the sign is not within the town limits.

These are some other NYS laws that you may want to check into Mr Sacco. If you are dead set on finding dirt. If you find violations of these, I say hang them.

New York Crazy Law

The penalty for jumping off a building is death.

Slippers are not to be worn after 10:00 P.M.

A fine of $25 can be levied for flirting. This old law specifically prohibits men from turning around on any city street and looking "at a woman in that way." A second conviction for a crime of this magnitude calls for the violating male to be forced to wear a "pair of horse-blinders" wherever and whenever he goes outside for a stroll.

A person may not walk around on Sundays with an ice cream cone in his/her pocket.

While riding in an elevator, one must talk to no one, and fold his hands while looking toward the door.

A license must be purchased before hanging clothes on a clothesline.

It is against the law to throw a ball at someone's head for fun.

-- Edited by shughes at 19:55, 2005-08-06

Jim Sacco · Senior Member

shughes wrote:

My apologies Mr Sacco. Sorry guys that sign is not in Pendelton, it would have to be south of Lockport rd. That still doesn’t give the issue any merit but the sign is not within the town limits. These are some other NYS laws that you may want to check into Mr Sacco. If you are dead set on finding dirt. If you find violations of these, I say hang them. New York Crazy Law The penalty for jumping off a building is death. Slippers are not to be worn after 10:00 P.M. A fine of $25 can be levied for flirting. This old law specifically prohibits men from turning around on any city street and looking "at a woman in that way." A second conviction for a crime of this magnitude calls for the violating male to be forced to wear a "pair of horse-blinders" wherever and whenever he goes outside for a stroll. A person may not walk around on Sundays with an ice cream cone in his/her pocket. While riding in an elevator, one must talk to no one, and fold his hands while looking toward the door. A license must be purchased before hanging clothes on a clothesline. It is against the law to throw a ball at someone's head for fun. -- Edited by shughes at 19:55, 2005-08-06

shughes,

Apology accepted.

But I must ask that we please stick to the issue. Mr. Grear's sign has circumvented, manipulated his way around local laws for political signs. He has shown disrespect for local municipal laws.

How can anyone vote for someone as our Chief Law Enforcement officer if he knowingly shows disrespect for local laws?

Mr. Grear reminds me of the Sheriff's (both of them) who came before Sheriff Beilein. When I vote, as when I hope everyone votes, they remember the higher level of respect that was needed, and that Sheriff Beilein brought to his office.

I want to thank you and all for your comments on my topic.

Jim Sacco

Pendleton, NY

shughes · Senior Member

Hey Mr Sacco, come a little closer so I can throw a ball at your head! I really don't think it's wise to claim disrespect for the law. I know of several people who have that very same complaint about your boy. Of course they are talking of much more serious laws, not signage nonsense. How about you go find a real issue to complain about, then we can have a real debate.

Jim Sacco · Senior Member

shughes,

As I said, please stick to the issue.

It is easy to 'know of several people who complain about....' the job that the Sheriff does in such a tense environment.

But this statement, 'know of several people who complain about...' is heresay. If you have obvious wrongdoings, please tell.

The proof I show is obvious and blatant. I am very much concerned with a communities aestetics.

shughes · Senior Member

No not hearsay, first hand information. But it is not mine to tell Mr Sacco. I think the point I was trying to make was, your boy is far from being an angel. If you had a solid gripe I think we would have heard it by now. I have not heard of any notice of violations about this painted plow. That speaks volumes. Face it this was a non-issue it was from the get go. And because it seems to bother you so much, how about we talk about the mounted division. I saw them at the fair, really looked sharp.

Date: Mon Aug 8 8:53 PM, 2005

shughes,

It is unfortunate that Mr. Grear causes such an embarassment to municipalities by circumventing their local laws. It is obvious as I pointed out.

If I get a chance, I will ask Mr. Grear why he is so beligerent and why he does not care how much he stretches and circumvents the local laws Towns that make up the County he wishes to work for?

If you want to speak of other concerns that you have, and your information has credibility, start another topic. I might even respond, if I so choose.

shughes · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

shughes, It is unfortunate that Mr. Grear causes such an embarassment to municipalities by circumventing their local laws. It is obvious as I pointed out. If I get a chance, I will ask Mr. Grear why he is so beligerent and why he does not care how much he stretches and circumvents the local laws Towns that make up the County he wishes to work for? If you want to speak of other concerns that you have, and your information has credibility, start another topic. I might even respond, if I so choose.

Again Mr. Sacco, I am assuming this is your post, you are singing solo here. You are the only poster who claims embarrassment by Mr. Grear’s creativity. Mr. Grear is not the one being belligerent about this. This seems to be some sort of personal attack on your part. And after I went and defended you, wow. See if I do that again.

Please show me the town ordinance that prohibits plow painting. How about the one that prohibits the signs. You have yet to produce anything that supports your claim. As for starting a new thread, I like this one. How much money do we spend for that helicopter each year? That doesn’t seem like an expense we taxpayers can afford.