Katrina Innocent et al--

kspeer · Date: Thu Sep 1 6:55 PM, 2005

Katrina Innocent et al--

Mindcrime · Date: Thu Sep 1 6:57 PM, 2005

Mindcrime

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Date: Tue Aug 30 7:48 AM, 2005
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Is everyone ready to hate me?

We are now beginning to get the damage assessments from Hurricane Katrina. We are also starting to get the sob stories.

I have zero remorse for the people clamoring for help this morning. The hurricane 'victims' are now going to get billions of dollars in aid from the government. My dollars and your dollars. Why are we giving these people so much help? Every year some state is decimated by hurricanes and tropical storms. (Oddly enough, it's always the same states!!!!!) And every year we give them tons of money to re-build IN THE SAME PLACE. How retarded is that? And why am I giving money to these stubborn, stupid people? They KNOW what kind of an area they live in. They should know by now that they're going to get their collective asses kicked by Mother Nature EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

These are the people we choose to help with my tax dollars. If you live on the banks of the Mississippi, you buy flood insurance. If you live in L.A. buy Earthquake insurance. Lots of it. Nebraska? You should have a Tornado Policy under you belt. And once you get wiped out and collect that insurance, MOVE TO WHERE IT'S SAFE!!! I don't live in a disaster state for a reason. And don't tell me blizzards or ice storms are disasters. They're not. They're an inconvenience at best. If you can't drive in snow, stay home. You keep a weeks' worth of food in your pantry and a couple of candles handy and you can wait out the next ice age. I also don't rely on the National Guard to bail me out. I put on a hat and shovel my way out of the 'disaster.'

I have even less remorse for the people who were killed. 30-40 years ago, when we had no early warning systems, I could understand people being caught off-guard. But we knew about Katrina a week ahead of time. You had enough warning to go shopping, load up the car, board up your home, stop for coffee and danish, and then head for high ground.

Give me my money back.

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NuclearLou

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Date: Tue Aug 30 8:37 AM, 2005
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That's the same routine that Sam Kinnison used to do...

www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3918 see post number#55

MC, give it a break. Say a prayer for those folks down South. If someone told you that you live on a fault right now, could you move within say a year? Have you ever even been down South? Have mercy, this is so widespread that to follow your logic, there'd be no inhabitants of the South at all. Atlanta? Nope, right in the hurricane slot. Miami, Galveston-Houston? Nope, too close to the coast.

MC, if you don't like YOUR taxes going to help other Americans you could always go to Canada...they hardly ever have hurricanes or floods there. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this a.m.

I don't hate you but I question your real meaning behind seemingly yours for Southern folk-brothers and sisters. IF the U.S. is not about cohesion in times of trouble, then what is it about?

May Peace Prevail and with Prayers for all,

LR

-- Edited by NuclearLou at 08:45, 2005-08-30

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Date: Tue Aug 30 10:45 AM, 2005
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umm, hurricanes have been hitting that area for centuries. even the earliest explorers knew this. it's hard to feel sorry for people in hawaii, who build their house next to an active volcano then wonder why they have lava in the kitchen.

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Date: Tue Aug 30 1:16 PM, 2005
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Mindcrime, you're not the first to bring this up. In a way, I applaud you for your courage, as you are about to take a lot of heat for such a blunt position. Leave it to you to be brutally candid about the least politically correct view. I can see your point, it is a bit unfair to use federal money to help localized, recurring disaster areas. But as Nuclear Lou pointed out, this is a widespread area.

I think it's more important to help those in need than to worry about your tax dollars. We get money when our snow removal budget is depleted in January. We even had some national guardsmen a few winters ago running snow-removal equipment. Besides, Bush is already wasting most of our taxes as it is, so what will this hurt? One of our strengths, even if it's rarely apparent, is that we can pull together in times of crisis. remember the solidarity that followed 9/11. It didn't last very long, but it was amazing to see.

However, Sam Kinison was right. Starving people need to move to where the food is. Dummies.

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NuclearLou

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Date: Tue Aug 30 3:20 PM, 2005
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Phantom says: "Bush is already wasting most of our taxes as it is, so what will this hurt? One of our strengths, even if it's rarely apparent, is that we can pull together in times of crisis."

I like the snow analogy. MC, sorry if I was blunt this a.m. I really do like Phantom's snow removal comment. I remember (oh no, here he goes again..) the Blizzard of 1977. Half-tracks and Green uniforms and parkas.

M.C., if you got snowed in during the Blizzard of 20__? And the Alabama National Guard sent all of their troops here to operate plows, snow blowers and shovels, I'd be the first to be cookin corn bread, black-eyed peas and short cakes to serve them:)

Here's a deal--ANYONE GOT AN EXTRA BLANKET, Tooth brush, flashlight, plastic bags or T.P. that they'd like to send and help these people? We can work on moving them sometime in the near future (like maybe before next hurricane season) and offer up the real spirit that makes us great for right now.

Any thoughts on advancing this? I'll call Red Cross or some others...maybe we could do it through WLVL?

What would it hurt if we only got ten blankets and a box of Hefty's?

Lou

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shughes

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Date: Tue Aug 30 3:36 PM, 2005
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This area received federal assistance due to flooding last year. As Phantom pointed out, we often get federal assistance for snow related problems. Most years local farmers get some sort of aid due to hail, wind, dry conditions an so forth. The mid and central US regions have tornados, California has earth quakes and wildfires. Many costal cities are below sea level and have flooding issues if it storms at high tide. This storm was one of the worst 3 ever, how can you prepare for that. Yes people should have evacuated when they were told to, but we can't turn our backs on them now.

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NuclearLou

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Date: Tue Aug 30 3:40 PM, 2005
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kspeer

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Date: Tue Aug 30 4:19 PM, 2005
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"Why are we giving these people so much help? Every year some state is decimated by hurricanes and tropical storms. (Oddly enough, it's always the same states!!!!!) And every year we give them tons of money to re-build IN THE SAME PLACE. How retarded is that? And why am I giving money to these stubborn, stupid people? They KNOW what kind of an area they live in. They should know by now that they're going to get their collective asses kicked by Mother Nature EVERY SINGLE YEAR." - MC
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Unfortunately, alot of people haved moved South to follow their jobs. There's an awful lot of industry down there and someone has to work there.

shughes

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Date: Tue Aug 30 4:46 PM, 2005
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Good point KS. My brother moved to Alabama because of a transfer. They have no power and the town they live in is a mess, but are all OK. The kids are happy because there is no school for awhile.

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To send donations to the National Disaster Relief Fund send checks directly to one of these addresses:

National Disaster Relief Fund
c/o American Red Cross
PO Box 37243
Washington, DC 200313

or

National Disaster Relief Fund
c/o American Red Cross
PO Box 97089
Washington, DC 20090-7089

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Date: Thu Sep 1 12:24 AM, 2005
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CAN YOU SAY ATLANTIS???

Prepare to hate me as well. Believe it or not, I couldn't agree with Mindcrime more.

Even though it sounds harsh to say this, weather in certain states such as Louisiana IS predictable. Huge ass hurricanes can come and WIPE OUT YOUR ENTIRE HOUSE. And it could happen MULTIPLE TIMES in a SEASON. I have no pity for people who buy ocean front property in Florida and then wonder why, and ultimately complain, when they can watch their cars float past their balcony. YOU ARE A DUMB ASS FOR LIVING THERE.

I thought they taught us history in school for a reason: so as not to repeat the mistakes of our past.

Society is retarded for building up areas of our country that is best left UNDEVELOPED.

New Orleans is, on average, about eight feet below sea level. Ironically, all the pumps, canals, and levees that work so hard to keep New Orleans above water are actually causing the city to sink at a rate of three feet per century. Some scientists predict that by the year 2100, the city will be under water.

What community college drop-out engineering student thought of this??? "Hey, this piece of land is below sea level. Let's get some pumps and then build a major city on it."

Although I feel bad for these southern residents, I can't help but wonder what they were thinking, when for years, their hometown was repeatedly attacked by these storms.

I pity the people more who happen to live in a usually safe area and then a freak rain storm or overflowing of a river or lake floods their basements. Or a plane falls from the sky onto their roof. The random tornado that hits Buffalo. Freak occurrences. Sad events. No place on earth is perfectly safe to live, but some places are indeed SAFER.

And, as a current job seeker considering alternate states to live in, I would never live in a tornado, earthquake or hurricane-prone area. No job is worth the risk.

Oh, and I have renter's insurance. I cannot depend on help from the government or state. They usually just disappoint.

When will we learn that we will never win against Mother Nature?

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NuclearLou

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Date: Thu Sep 1 7:11 AM, 2005
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As of 11:30 p.m. last night, elderly New Orleans resident and world famous musician FATS DOMINO is missing in the deluge.

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kspeer · Date: Thu Sep 1 7:00 PM, 2005

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Date: Mon Aug 29 11:31 AM, 2005
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Why did all these chemical plants build below sea level? A hurricane like this has been predicted for New Orleans since their last big one 40 years ago. Is it really going to be worth the money the companies saved by relocating?

Katrina may be 'our Asian tsunami'

Aug 29, 2005 - (CNN) -- Flooding expected from Hurricane Katrina could wreak catastrophe on New Orleans, overwhelming its water and sewage systems, damaging its structures and leaving survivors in a bowl of toxic soup, a top hurricane expert said Sunday.

Katrina made landfall Monday morning between Grand Isle, Louisiana, and the mouth of the Mississippi River .

"We need to recognize we may be about to experience our equivalent of the Asian tsunami, in terms of the damage and the numbers of people that can be killed," said Ivor van Heerden, director of the Louisiana State University Public Health Research Center in Baton Rouge.

Some 25 feet of standing water is expected in many parts of the city -- almost twice the height of the average home -- and computer models suggest that more than 80 percent of buildings would be badly damaged or destroyed, he said.

Floodwaters from the east would carry toxic waste from the "Industrial Canal" area, nicknamed after the chemical plants there. From the west, floodwaters would flow through the Norco Destrehan Industrial Complex, which includes refineries and chemical plants, said van Heerden, who has studied computer models about the impact of a strong hurricane for four years.

"These chemical plants are going to start flying apart, just as the other buildings do," he predicted. "So, we have the potential for release of benzene, hydrochloric acid, chlorine and so on."

That could result in severe air and water pollution, he said.

In New Orleans, which lies below sea level, gas and diesel tanks are all located above ground for the same reason that bodies are buried above ground. In the event of a flood, "those tanks will start to float, shear their couplings, and we'll have the release of these rather volatile compounds," van Heerden added.

Because gasoline floats on water, "we could end up with some pretty severe and large -- area-wise -- fires."

"So, we're looking at a bowl full of highly contaminated water with contaminated air flowing around and, literally, very few places for anybody to go where they'll be safe."

He went further.

"So, imagine you're the poor person who decides not to evacuate: Your house will disintegrate around you. The best you'll be able to do is hang on to a light pole, and while you're hanging on, the fire ants from all the mounds -- of which there is two per yard on average -- will clamber up that same pole. And, eventually, the fire ants will win."

The levees intended to protect the city vary in height, from as low as 10 feet above sea level to about 14 feet, he said. They too are vulnerable, because they are made of earth, he said.

-- Edited by kspeer at 11:33, 2005-08-29

kspeer

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Date: Wed Aug 31 5:36 PM, 2005
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Looks like the prediction was right about the levees.