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On Scott's show today, two Niagara County legislators will be on air.


Could one of them please address: What's the answer to the Plutonium in the drinking water question guys? Do you NOW have a definitive answer to this months old question?


Has the Niagara County Legislature asked the federal government to look into this, or, are the legislators relying upon Ms. Kline from the NCHD for anwers to this military weapons waste question? Congresswoman Louise Slaughter seemed to be oblivious to this very serious situation (hear interview with Scott last week on PodCast), so one can assume that she has not been brought up to speed about this by local officials--even though some of the Plutonium present in Niagara County is from experiments conducted in Congresswoman Louise Slaughter's (D-Rochester) home district (See: Plutonium Files, Rochester Human Radiation Experiments-HREX, Eileen Welsome, 1999 Pulitzer Prize Winner).


Since NCHD has no capability to test for Plutonium, how does the NCHD know one way or the other if Pu is present?


When Mr. Aronow was asked for answers to these and certain other funding questions about the Niagara County Health Department and a quiet $200,000 dollar plus business partnership (Niagara "Health-Science" Community LOOW Project-and a private individual), no information was forthcoming. None.


Dear Mr. Aronow and NC legislators, What's up with that?


Also, what are the legislators thoughts on giving a county sponsored tax break to a millionaire for a renal center--in a known radiologically contaminated community?


Sincerely,


Lou Ricciuti, concerned about Plutonium in OUR drinking water!~


Board of Director-International Institute of Concern for Public Health, Institute for Environmental Research and Oversight, Citizen's Oversight Committee


See the other Niagara County Plutonium-radiation contamination threat threads, including today's IDA and Kidney tax break concerns. More to come.



-- Edited by NuclearLou at 06:47, 2005-09-07

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Confusion or COLLUSION? You decide.




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Come on Lou, give the guy a break!


Do you actually think that Arnow has a brain??  He is just a mouthpiece for the majority caucus. 


They need people like him...no brains...no conscious...willing to talk like a fool and not know that he is...



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How right you are Anonymous, how right you are!


My mistake for expecting anything honest out of the Niagara County Body Politic. Anything, even the most important of things. Sorry.


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Anonymous,


Talk about hitting the nail on the head. What are the republicans going to do without him next year? We can only wish. The people of the 16th legislative district deserve much better. Hopefully we'll know on Tues.



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Nuclear, that is for sure especially when talking about Glenn Aronow. I have had many encounters with Glen and he does NOT tell the truth. He’s like a kid; only tell the truth, if it won’t get me in trouble. Sorry to all you Aronow supporters, but that’s the truth!!!



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Ed Mc: I respect your opinion and honesty, a rare comodity in the county Niagara. The thing that gets me, is that NO politician seems to care about this situation--Plutonium "floating" around this county. It's hard to believe that with an "intercepted" email from a local big shot trying to ask a pretty famous toxicology Doctor about how much Pu is "O.K." to be in the drinking water around Lew-Port Schools, and then they pretend that this question was not sent--even though the original is posted here on the Forum! Thanks for the comment Ed.


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Not to cross threads but I wonder if there is plutonium in the waters surrounding New Orleans or Biloxi now because of the nuclear reactors around the Gulf coast. I wonder why there's been no reporting on that. Has there been damage? Could it be that there are further problems that they might not want to discuss? That's most scary to this reader and watcher. TIA

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Not to cross threads but I wonder if there is plutonium in the waters surrounding New Orleans or Biloxi now because of the nuclear reactors around the Gulf coast. I wonder why there's been no reporting on that.



That information has started to trickle out (forgive the poor and unintentional pun). And I think we'll find that N.O. is going to be uninhabitable for quite some time.

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So much for GWB's "clean" nuclear energy plans. Better grow corn to burn.


AND, thou shall have no sympathy for anyone who lives near to one of them atomic reactor plants that gets flooded and contaminates thousands...maybe like now, who knows?  There will be no care or remorse for anyone who lives near a factory that gets tornadoed right offffthe map--but not before it spews it load into the surrounding atmosphere. What about a faulty dam that breaks, what about airplane crashes, nope, no feeling for those stupid schmucks that climbed into an aluminum cigar tube streaking across the horizon. What about hemmoroid sufferers? Ooops. Glenn Aronow is the guy to ask about all this--does the county legislature have a stand on sympathy? Just kidding. We know that they couldn't have a stand on that. Besides, if they had the hemmoroids, they'd all be standing at the meetings...and we'd have no empathy for them.



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Anonymous, Talk about hitting the nail on the head. What are the republicans going to do without him next year? We can only wish. The people of the 16th legislative district deserve much better. Hopefully we'll know on Tues.

Ed, if the republicans choose McNall they'll probably be paying higher taxes. look at the lockport school taxes since he's been on the BOE. pretty soon the only ones that will be able to afford to pay the taxes in this county will be the county workers! At least Aronow isn't voting for tax increases and he's getting the legislators to pay more towards their healthcare.

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To begin with, I can’t believe I’m siding with Ed.  First, take a long look at the BOE budgets before you play the blame game.  I got that last line from “W”.  If you look you will see a pattern the past few years that the school budgets have stabilized.  Secondly, give me a break about Glen and his health benefit legislation.  These are part time positions and not one legislator has gone after the part time attorney benefits.  This entire benefit deal to part time positions are a slap in the face of the taxpayer.  He can talk all he wants about the savings to taxpayers, but look at this – STOP THE BENEFITS NOW and it saves big bucks today and tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow….Remember, the “Who does What Study” from the chamber – they should rename it to “THEY DID NOTHING”



 


 



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 At least Aronow isn't voting for tax increases and he's getting the legislators to pay more towards their healthcare.


I don't know, maybe I'm wrong on this but I know I read somewhere that the legislators' health care package was a negligible amount in the grand scheme of the budget and what an individual taxpayer has to pay towards it. Although, it's probably a good thing that it's one less thing on your tax bill; but that campaign season really bothered me. For one thing, it was the last time I voted in Niagara Co and I didn't feel good about any of the candidates. And, secondly, I was still living in the 16th district when this guy was campaigning and that issue was like, his ENTIRE platform; there was nothing else in his literature that was of any substance or relevance! It seemed to me that he relied on the fact that people who have to pay their own insurance would resent providing health insurance for their elected officials and he never addressed or took a stand on any of the serious issues in Niagara County/LP beyond B.S. platitudes. It's one of my things: I cannot stand politicians that stir up controversy just to get elected. I didn't even want to vote in that election. Both candidates were so obviously going to be ineffectual so it's like, do I vote for the mousy one or the smarmy one -- I hate when that happens.



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I am going to try and jump back and comment further on the legislator's health-care issue at some length (ad nauseum), and I'll be making a legitimate proposal for ANY legislator who would have the backbone to support it during this election season. I'll start it here because it involves Mr. Aronow and his recent legislative resolution about the Boys paying their 20% "share" of the costs, and then I'll create a new thread.


In Sunday's Buffalo News there was an article about the campaign season here in Niagara, the County once beautiful. 


I have a question for Glenn Aronow--?


Glenn, do you feel that you are deserve to be re-elected?


In light of the fact that when you were asked for two specific answers from the Director of the Niagara County Health Department about Plutonium being in our drinking water and the "unusual" financial dealings (now approaching $100K Sunday's Buffalo News) of this department that ultimately you ARE responsible for, you accepted a nonsensical and UN-informational response from the department head...in effect, who would not answer those extremely important health related questions ... not from one constituent, but from the many County Residents represented as callers and listeners to Scott's show? 


  Charles Lewis/Buffalo News


AND GLENN: Would you want this woman to give her little child ANY Niagara County water right out of the taps around Lewiston-Porter-Youngstown-Ransomville, NY? 


You had a great opportunity to show your mettle and actually DO SOMETHING for the future of this, and many other kids, and frankly Glenn, you did nothing. Your District or not, you're a legislator and were presented with this information and the Plutonium problem. Did you bring it up on the floor of the Legislature or were you busy with other, more important legislative matters?


If Glenn considers these questions somehow unfair, then I would encourage him to jump in here and discuss this on an open thread, explain and fully answer these concerns in detail. How difficult is that?  Isn't this the perfect FORUM for a county representative to disseminate this county info?


Your response Glenn? I'll await an answer before a follow up letter to the editor of the US&J is written.



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AND HERE'S THE EMAIL EXCHANGE BETWEEN LEGISLATOR GLENN ARONOW AND Niagara County Health Department Director, Paulette Kline.
From Legislator Aronow
>>> <HiPoint61@aol.com> 06/13/05 9:22 AM >>>


Paulette,
  Could you please answer a couple questions for  me?

1) What is the Niagara Health Science Project and how is it funded?

2) Could you explain the water testing procedure that the  NCDOH
follows including if the water is tested, not only at the source, but at  the
end user?

                                               Thanks, Glenn Aronow
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WHERE WAS THE DIRECT QUESTION "Is there PU in the water"  GLENN?
PAULETTE KLINE RESPONDS...NOTICE "Founded" is answered and NOT "FUNDED." Keep in mind that this is a County Employee answering (or not) to a County Legislator!

Subj: Kline-Aronow communication Plutonium and "Niagara Health Science Report"
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:45:30 -0400
From: "Paulette Kline" <Paulette.Kline@niagaracounty.com>
To: <HiPoint61@aol.com>
Cc: "James Devald" <James.Devald@niagaracounty.com>,
        "Ronald Gwozdek" Ronald.Gwozdek@niagaracounty.com

Subject: Re: Water Testing

Good morning  Glenn,
The Niagara Science Report is a non-profit organization founded by
chemist Ann Roberts, now residing in Boston, Mass. and community
activist Amy Wytriol, living here in Niagara County, that were formerly
members of RRG (Residents for Responsible Government).  They have many
years of experience in the area of environmental contamination research,
specifically related to waste management, and associated health risks.

The Niagara County public water supply is tested both at the source and
also there is random sampling done in all municipalities, of the end
user.  I will ask Jim Devald and/or Ron Gwozdek to send you the testing parameters
and the specific procedure. 

Return-Path: Paulette.Kline@niagaracounty.com  


(Is it the Niagara "Health-Science" Report? Or, is it the Niagara "Science" Report, as shown in Ms. Kline's email response above, or, is it the Community LOOW Project? This is the aspect of the FUNDING that is suspect. Now around $100,000.)(Was it a slip to not use the word "health" coming from the health department director?)



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Hey Glenn: This is pathetic!


A study of documents for $200,000 dollars US is a waste of money around Niagara County!


A medical doctor, toxicologist and an epidemiologist have already stated the lands there are deadly---and your're letting your health director and a rich Lewiston lady collect $200 thousand dollars? Let me get this straight: You're letting your health director and a rich Lewiston lady decide what's best for us when every other expert in the nation is saying to get people away from the site immediately. (no, not what Washington's paid military contractors are saying).


It appears to me that this money has nothing to do with health and everything to do with Public Relations, period. What do you think Glenn? Any other politician reading this?


LAKE ONTARIO ORDNANCE WORKS
$30,000 to help contamination study
By ANDREW Z. GALARNEAU
NEWS NIAGARA BUREAU
9/10/2005

The Community Foundation for Greater Buffalo has donated $30,000 toward an effort to assemble decades of government reports into an overview of known and suspected contamination at the former Lake Ontario Ordnance Works. "What we're trying to do is look at every piece of documented research that we have, including any maps or data from any agencies that have had jurisdiction over the site, for a comprehensive picture of what kind of risks there may be," Niagara County Public Health Director Paulette Klein said this week.


Then, investigators can decide if there are gaps in the site investigations that should be closed with further testing, said Klein. The Community LOOW Project will take two years and cost about $200,000 altogether, said Klein.


With the Buffalo foundation's support, about half of the project's funding has been raised, she said, with the rest expected from the area's congressional representatives.


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Here's the exact grant language that should make everyone a little suspicious of the "health" department and help you to sleep poorly at night. Notice all of the mentions about economics and the lack of any health mention in this "economics" section! No mention of lost wages, productivity, no mention of sick children or young adults, legislators health-care (oops), the exodus of the healthy. Why, in this grant program worth nearly a $ 1/4 of a Million Bucks?


Here's the language from the Niagara County Health Department & "NHSR" grant application...


READ THE BELOW and feel comforted.
Our Niagara County health department is currently trying to conceal and suppress the information that the area is also contaminated with PLUTONIUM. This is very important to note that this substance is now known to also be in the environment and that the NCHD a public "health trust" agency is seeking grant monies to worry about the economics and not health--actually, they are acting in an anti-health way! PLEASE check out Plutonium for yourself to see how bizarre this is--
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Check out these last two statements submitted by the Niagara County Health Department for why they need this community foundation grant $$.


6. Is there an economic development aspect to this project?

Comments provided by the Niagara County Economic Development Agency: Western New York is plagued with contaminated properties. This high percentage of contaminated properties puts Western New York at an economic disadvantage compared to other parts of New York State. In particular, large contaminated sites such as the LOOW site severely affect local property values and reduce the amount of land available for residential, commercial and tourism uses. Furthermore, the negative stigma associated with sites such as the LOOW site deters private investors from locating their businesses in the Lewiston-Porter area.

The deterrence of  private investors not only affects Niagara County but the region as a whole because of the indirect and induced economic affects that result from loss of businesses. An independent coordinated review will help restore residents' trust in Western New York's ability to manage contaminated sites and will help remove some of the negative stigma associated with the LOOW site. Furthermore, by understanding the extent of contamination and associated risks, Western New York will be one step closer to economically benefiting from one of the worst contaminated sites in the area.            (I don't know how they'll do that! More importation of waste?)

Comments provided by the Niagara County Tourism and Convention Corporation: The reemergence of tourism as a backbone of the Niagara County region’s economy is in its embryonic stage. As most of the critical industries have left this area over the last two decades, tourism has emerged as the sole basis on which to grow the local economy. As of 2003, the single largest employer segment in Niagara County is the tourism industry.

There are several subsets/niches within tourism where Niagara County has a competitive advantage over its primary competitive destinations. Eco-tourism, Soft Adventure Tourism, Heritage Tourism and International Tourism combine to make some of the key segments of the Niagara County target markets. At present there are approximately 4,000,000 – 4,500,000 visitors to this region. In addition to these tourists, the casino drives an additional 80,000 visitors weekly.

Based on national data and verified expenditure figures, Niagara County is the beneficiary of well over 3.5 billion dollars of tourism/gaming expenditures. With that said, our Canadian neighbors drive well over five times that figure.

These factors alone makes the LOOW site project an enormous benefit to our region’s tourism economy. In order for us to grow the tourism market, we must demonstrate a prudent and careful use of our natural resources. Our tourism clientele are coming here for our natural setting and resources, whether it is for sport fishing, birding, hiking in the gorge, sailing in Lake Ontario or just cycling along our rural byways and canal paths. "Taking all possible measures to insure that the region protects these and other natural assets is critical to growing our economy." "Demonstrating the concern for this stewardship by engaging in the LOOW site project is a first step in a prophylactic manner that these assets are safe for public use." "To do otherwise would be devastating to our regional economy."


"Any negative publicity about some contamination of waters, lands or other assets would be catastrophic to our tourism industry." "Note the 2003 impact of the SARS scare in Toronto to see how quickly the tourism industry can be brought to a dead halt." "It will take years for Toronto to recover from that negative publicity."


"The tourism industry needs this project now." " We must take all warranted steps to protect the local tourism economy from another frontal blow."


Hey, I thought this money was about Health and Science? What the *(&^$!
"Some contamination" from above refers to the Plutonium that was found.
Q: HOW ARE  ECONOMICS and "HEALTH" interrelated here??
Q: IS THIS A HEALTH OR Public Relations CONCERN??
In the above reference "Some contamination of water" is referring to PLUTONIUM found at Lewiston-Porter...

Q: HOW IS TOURISM RELATED TO Niagara County Health Department & PUBLIC HEALTH?


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These search terms have been highlighted: plutonium niagara lewiston
Part II:  Project Identification Cover Page
21st Century Fund 2004/2005
Project name:  The Community LOOW Project 
Name of applicants:  Amy Witryol and Paulette Kline
The Niagara Health-Science Report (NHS Report)   The Niagara County Health Department  
Address of applicant:  4726 Lower River Rd., Lewiston, NY 14092 
(This is a private residence):  Amy Witryol


THEN, the "Community" Foundation for Greater Buffalo, "Community" LOOW Project, removed comments of a community member, me, from their Web site that was asking for comments about this project.



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Is there an economic development aspect to this project? Comments provided by the Niagara County Economic Development Agency: Western New York is plagued with contaminated properties.


This high percentage of contaminated properties puts Western New York at an economic disadvantage compared to other parts of New York State. In particular, large contaminated sites such as the LOOW site severely affect local property values and reduce the amount of land available for residential, commercial and tourism uses.


 Furthermore, the negative stigma associated with sites such as the LOOW site deters private investors from locating their businesses in the Lewiston-Porter area. The deterrence of  private investors not only affects Niagara County but the region as a whole because of the indirect and induced economic affects that result from loss of businesses.


An independent coordinated review will help restore residents' trust in Western New York's ability to manage contaminated sites and will help remove some of the negative stigma associated with the LOOW site. Furthermore, by understanding the extent of contamination and associated risks,


Western New York will be one step closer to economically benefiting from one of the worst contaminated sites in the area. 


    These factors alone makes the LOOW site project an enormous benefit to our region’s tourism economy. In order for us to grow the tourism market, we must demonstrate a prudent and careful use of our natural resources. Our tourism clientele are coming here for our natural setting and resources, whether it is for sport fishing, birding, hiking in the gorge, sailing in Lake Ontario or just cycling along our rural byways and canal paths. "Taking all possible measures to insure that the region protects these and other natural assets is critical to growing our economy."


"Demonstrating the concern for this stewardship by engaging in the LOOW site project is a first step in a prophylactic manner that these assets are safe for public use."


"To do otherwise would be devastating to our regional economy.""Any negative publicity about some contamination of waters, lands or other assets would be catastrophic to our tourism industry."


"Note the 2003 impact of the SARS scare in Toronto to see how quickly the tourism industry can be brought to a dead halt." "It will take years for Toronto to recover from that negative publicity."


"The tourism industry needs this project now." " We must take all warranted steps to protect the local tourism economy from another frontal blow


Q: HOW IS TOURISM RELATED TO Niagara County Health Department & PUBLIC HEALTH? ---------------------------




It would appear that Niagara County residents living near contaminated sites are second to  tourism! The kids don't appear to factor into this grant at all. They have laid out what they expect to find with this study and from where I sit it stinks. Why don't they put an amusement park on the property. That way they can expose thousands more children and maybe distort the health affects even more.

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HUumm, when they do this movie, I hope that they get Kiefer Sutherland to play Glenn Aronow. That Glenn Aronow--rorw, umm, meow, hot!

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Meds people!Take with full glass of water.



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To Anonymous:   To begin with, I can’t believe I’m siding with Ed.….Remember, the “Who does What Study” from the chamber – they should rename it to “THEY DID NOTHING”    


 Hey anonymous, Its Ok to side with me, You won't have to do it very offen though.... I figure I get somrthing right about 10% of the time. So that gives you plenty of time we won't agree.


Just having some fun. We all should once in a while! 






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Going from TRUTHS and TROLLS to PLUTONIUM AND POLS!


This is something that really needs a truthful answer! NO TROLLS>



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