Candidates Night

KevinWPratt · Member

Candidates Night

Jim Sacco · Senior Member

GREAR ANSWERED QUESTION ABOUT HIS LACK of SUPERVISORY EXPERIENCE by saying that his family owned businesses!!!!!

What an adolescent!!!!!

Did he supervise his younger brother?????

He should have been honest and just said he had no worthwhile supervisory experience!

DON'T TAKE A CHANCE ON UNPROVEN LEADERSHIP!!

VOTE BEILEIN!!!

jspeer · Guru

Jim Sacco wrote:

GREAR ANSWERED QUESTION ABOUT HIS LACK of SUPERVISORY EXPERIENCE by saying that his family owned businesses!!!!!
What an adolescent!!!!!
Did he supervise his younger brother?????
He should have been honest and just said he had no worthwhile supervisory experience!
DON'T TAKE A CHANCE ON UNPROVEN LEADERSHIP!!
VOTE BEILEIN!!!

What was Mr. Belein's experience 12 years ago?

Jim Sacco · Senior Member

jspeer wrote:
What was Mr. Belein's experience 12 years ago?

I do not know because I did not live here 12 years ago, but I am sure he had more experience than just a Sheriff's deputy on road patrol.

Mindcrime · Guru

How much experience do you really need to do a better job than Belien has? A crossing guard can have just as much common sense and fiscal responsibilty as an experienced officer. It's more a desk job than anything else and you know it.

How many of our Presidents have had prior experience running a nation? Yeah, that's what I thought. Remember, when Dubya was elected in 2004, he had no experience running the country either, and he won.

-- Edited by Mindcrime at 00:18, 2005-11-05

Jim Sacco · Senior Member

Mindcrime wrote:

How much experience do you really need to do a better job than Belien has? A crossing guard can have just as much common sense and fiscal responsibilty as an experienced officer. It's more a desk job than anything else and you know it. How many of our Presidents have had prior experience running a nation? Yeah, that's what I thought. Remember, when Dubya was elected in 2004, he had no experience running the country either, and he won.-- Edited by Mindcrime at 00:18, 2005-11-05

Mindcrime,

I truly feel that the Sheriff needs much more experience that Deputy Grear has. Unfortunately, Deputy Grear has an ax to grind and he is getting help in the wrong way.

Villella has been leading this kid (Grear) astray, spending his money the way he is.

Grear does not have the experience needed to run the Sheriff's department by himself, and when Villella's thoughts are over 20 years old! That was when Grear was in High School!

The way government is run has changed significantly since then, and Deputy Grear does not have an idea on how to run the Sheriff's office. But his people (Villella's people) would do it for him, bringing back their old way of doing things as they did during the 1980's.

Date: Sun Nov 6 8:51 AM, 2005

Just a question here....

Doe anyone know why Beliens' own sister does not have her brother's sign in her front yard?

I was in Olcott the other night and could not help but notice.....kind of makes me wonder there. Cant help but question why his sister doesn't support him??????????????

Mindcrime · Guru

Jim Sacco wrote:

Mindcrime, I truly feel that the Sheriff needs much more experience that Deputy Grear has.

Why is everyone focusing so much on experience?

I was once promoted to manager less than a year after being hired. I had no prior managerial experience, and I had only worked there for 10 months as a normal employee. But my boss said I was the best manager they had had in a long time. Organization, delegation, customer relations, mantaining inventory, goal accomplishment, accounting, meeting deadlines, all these skills had nothing to do with my level of experience in the field, but as part of my personality. It helped that I knew what my employees required, because I was once one of them, but nothing I learned for my entry-level job prepared me for management of an entire department.

A 12-year-old could have what it takes to run a sheriff's department. If a cop patrols for 15 years, exactly how does that prepare him for leadership? It doesn't. Leadership is a matter of personality, integrity and guidance, not seniority.

C'mon, someone even gave you a chance once...

Date: Sun Nov 6 8:20 PM, 2005

Was your business even close to a $30,000,000 business?

Also, did you have a prior history of going bankrupt?

Mindcrime · Guru

Yes, it was. No, I didn't. What's yer point?

How many billions of dollars is Delphi worth? Is it the CEO's fault that's it's bankrupt? Or is it the economy? Not all businesses succeed, and not all failed businesses are because of poor management.

Why are you so afraid to let Grear try? Belien had his shot. He's wasted money and abused his position. Grear can do no worse, but he might do better. I say let him try.

Jim Sacco · Senior Member

Hey, I never owned a snow plow. I am 45 and still shovel my driveway.

Brian Grear talked about family having a business history.

My father had an ice business. He manufactured and wholesaled ice cubes, blocks and minicubes during the 1970's. In fact, my younger brother and I bagged and packaged all the ice during our teen years, and we delivered/sold it when we could drive. When we were old enough to drive, we basically ran the business. Never got paid, but we ran the business. My father had to close the business when we went to college.

I wonder how much more business experience that snowplow guy (Grear) has???

I know my experience in the Ice business does not qualify me to run a $30 million Department.

Mindcrime · Guru

Then how do you know Grear isn't qualified?

MBrophy · Veteran Member

Sorry, I was actually responding to what I read on the Dale Forum thread.

-- Edited by MBrophy at 21:41, 2005-11-06

-- Edited by MBrophy at 22:12, 2005-11-06

Jim Sacco · Senior Member

MBrophy wrote:

Sorry, I was actually responding to what I read on the Dale Forum thread. A few questions: Why is everyone so irate about the Grear/Beilein race? In other words, have all the sheriff elections been this negative and I just didn't notice? A couple people have mentioned the candidates' college attendance or lack thereof -- in a rather condescending manner I might add. I'm a grad student and planning to teach on the university level so, obviously, I realize there is a lot of value in post-secondary education. But why is it so important to have a college degree to win this election? What field would meet your criteria -- business, accounting, criminal justice, law? I have a degree in English/Comparative Literature -- can I be the sheriff or, by "college degree," you didn't really mean that any old college degree would do? What exactly do you mean by "college degree" then -- an associate's, bachelor's and in what field? People reference "education" or "college" as some kind of panacea for the incompetent, unethical, or just plain stupid; I tend to think that there are effective politicians with/without college degrees just as there are ineffective politicians with/without a BA/BS so why does this call for sarcasm?-- Edited by MBrophy at 21:41, 2005-11-06

MBrophy,

I don't think you need a college degree to be County Sheriff.

Knowledge of the work performed by the personnel, supervisory and budgeting skills, along with a good disposition like what Sheriff Beilien has are good.

Nitrogen_Widget · Senior Member

Jim Sacco wrote:

I do not know because I did not live here 12 years ago, but I am sure he had more experience than just a Sheriff's deputy on road patrol.

Why is it you never seem to know the answer to questions like these, yet you act like your the primary authority on everything involving this race?I’d think someone like you would know intimately the history of the man your so vehemently supporting.

Could the truth be that Beilein didn’t have that much experience either?