Eminent Park Towers?

Phantom · Veteran Member

RE: Eminent Park Towers?

Date: Fri Nov 4 4:40 PM, 2005

Phantom wrote:

Anonymous wrote: You cannot compare prostitiution with dating...protitututes have multiple partners in just one night..most people who date may have 2 or 3 partners a year. I've known people to have 2 or 3 partners an hour. Leave Pleasantville and you might see that not everyone is as wholesome as you. Gun control does have unseen victims..just like prostitution.... What is the wife of a man who visits these regulated whorehouses? She is not a victim? What is she? Frigid? Oooooohhhhhhh, SNAP! (Aww, no you di-int!)

Phantom, I bet you really knock-em dead in the Walmart breakroom!

Scott Leffler · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Phantom, I bet you really knock-em dead in the Walmart breakroom!

Ah yes. Here we are back to mocking the meek. Cause as we all recall, WalMart employees opinions don't count. Just like the opinions of those living in low-income housing. Or anyone that rents for that matter. I'm so glad we're not judgemental here. And to the person who went off to find the smart people cause they didn't understand that prostitution is a victimless crime ... have fun. Hopefully they'll all speak down to your level.

Date: Fri Nov 4 6:38 PM, 2005

Scott Leffler wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Phantom, I bet you really knock-em dead in the Walmart breakroom! Ah yes. Here we are back to mocking the meek. Cause as we all recall, WalMart employees opinions don't count. Just like the opinions of those living in low-income housing. Or anyone that rents for that matter. I'm so glad we're not judgemental here. And to the person who went off to find the smart people cause they didn't understand that prostitution is a victimless crime ... have fun. Hopefully they'll all speak down to your level.

LIVE WELL-LOVE MUCH -LAUGH OFTEN

Be nice to your fellow man,You never know you be wearing their shoes one day.

Scott is so right ,we as people are way to judgemental.J.B.

Date: Fri Nov 4 7:45 PM, 2005

Responsibility does not only lie with the leaders of our countries or with those who have been appointed or elected to do a particular job. It lies with each of us individually. Peace, for example, starts within each one of us. When we have inner peace, we can be at peace with those around us.

"The Dalai Lama"

Mindcrime · Guru

Anon. firmly believes that there are two classes in this town: The Haves and the Have Mores. The Have Nots don't even count, yet he's jealous of them for the crumbs they're tossed by the government.

How sad.

RattyJenn · Senior Member

Mindcrime, you make a lot of sense. Like a voice of reason in a world of insanity...or something.

Anyway, very well said! What I wonder is why Anon is so reluctant to reveal his/her identity... But I am a newbie and perhaps you guys all know more than I do...maybe there is something (Anon.) doesn't want us to know, some skeltons in the old closet, so to speak, but I digress....

And doesn't it evetually get confusing, to post under Anon, if there are several anonymous posters? It would be too bad if one Anon was confused with another....It sure would be nice to know who these folks are.

-- Edited by RattyJenn at 23:34, 2005-11-04

Mindcrime · Guru

I consider everyone who posts as 'Anonymous' as the same person. I bet if you counted all the posts that were anon, you'd find a vast majority of them were used for mockery, insults or attack.

Anyway, there just seems to be a lot of intolerance on this board for folks who don't meet other people's standards. Be it based on income, their job, their opinion, their affiliations, whatever. Everyone's trying to keep out the riff raff, and they all have an opinion on why you're garbage.

Date: Sat Nov 5 7:14 AM, 2005

Mindcrime wrote:

I consider everyone who posts as 'Anonymous' as the same person. I bet if you counted all the posts that were anon, you'd find a vast majority of them were used for mockery, insults or attack. Anyway, there just seems to be a lot of intolerance on this board for folks who don't meet other people's standards. Be it based on income, their job, their opinion, their affiliations, whatever. Everyone's trying to keep out the riff raff, and they all have an opinion on why you're garbage.

MC,I started this board with a name ,left because of insults and attacks on my family and my biz. life.So I kept watching and posting anon when I felt the need.I think this whole time I have been chasing ghosts.I was looking for the answer as to why so many of our family members died there.My husband said after the last attack on books to never back down!But I do think now would be the time to let go of the ghosts.

I came here for answers.I leave with only more questions.My family has listened to me for almost a year talk of how unsafe it is to live back home ,due to the cancer factor.Now because of all the " bull"Not from you.One of my kids believe it is all to be untrue,and would like to go to NU.

So I will leave,before I make that person think NU is a good place.You know how kids want to do what thier parents do not want them too.

You are so right this board should be a sign in bases.That way you know where the attack is coming from!

JB

jspeer · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

This is my last post, I am dealing with a bunch of dolts here who think legalizing protitution is the answer..pretty sad when you have to go to a prostitute for sex...I am going to another board where maybe I can find someone with 1/2 a brain.

So people don't agree with your opinion so we're a bunch of dolts and have 1/2 brains? If I had a nickel for everytime someone didn't like my opinion... I'd have enough money to get a hooker at the new Urban Park Whorehouse. Good thing there are about 100 other anonymous posters to replace you.

If you had a name we might miss you....NOT!

-- Edited by jspeer at 09:57, 2005-11-05

Mindcrime · Guru

Anonymous wrote: This is my last post, I am dealing with a bunch of dolts here who think legalizing protitution is the answer.. Apparently, there are very few here who see the wisdom of decriminalizing consenusal activities

pretty sad when you have to go to a prostitute for sex...Not everyone was blessed with good looks, or even tolerable ones. Maybe commerce is the only way they'll get any. What else are they supposed to do, sit by the window and sigh? Everyone needs some lovin'

I am going to another board where maybe I can find someone with 1/2 a brain. So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a stupid-head...very mature.

Sorry to see you go, we'll miss your bopinions, right JSPeer?

-- Edited by Mindcrime at 10:01, 2005-11-05

shughes · Senior Member

How sad is it when members feel they have to leave the board because of anonymous attacks? How many time has it happened that we don't know about? I have always been a firm believer in sign in only, now we have one forum that requires sign in names. I'm not sure that has stopped the problem, but it's a start.

Date: Sat Nov 5 1:44 PM, 2005

It always too bad when someone leaves a board because of anonymous attacks, lies or just general politics. That person should learn that most people will stick it to you at their first opportunity. Most people suck and are dirtbags. Especially anonymous fu&*$^sters. Don't trust ANYONE! Just get back. Don't get mad... Or, get a thincker skin so that you can withstand all attacks. Woos.

Scott Leffler · Guru

Two things I'd like to point out here ...

1) No one has posted in the members-only forum in three days. If you don't want to get anonymously flamed, keep your postings to there.

2) Whatever happened to the discussion I was hoping to have on eminent domain? For the record, I'm opposed to government stealing property from private citizens - even if that property is an "eyesore." If we don't have the right to property, we don't have anything.

Thoughts?

shughes · Senior Member

Scott Leffler wrote:

Two things I'd like to point out here ... 1) No one has posted in the members-only forum in three days. If you don't want to get anonymously flamed, keep your postings to there. 2) Whatever happened to the discussion I was hoping to have on eminent domain? For the record, I'm opposed to government stealing property from private citizens - even if that property is an "eyesore." If we don't have the right to property, we don't have anything. Thoughts?

You're right Scott, sorry. Eminent domain really stinks and really cuts into our right to own property. Last I checked we still have that right, we do don't we? Here is a news article from yesterday about the issue.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/04/news/economy/eminent_domain_bill/

kspeer · Senior Member

-- Edited by kspeer at 17:11, 2005-11-05

jspeer · Guru

I agree with you, Scott... I was just having fun. People shouldn't have to live in fear of losing their homes...unless it's to put in a whorehouse then I'm all for it.

I'm just kidding.

Scott Leffler · Guru

That said, Joe, if the UPT owners wanted to sell it to the city, the city should be allowed to do whatever they want with it ... including tearing it down. I just don't like the threat of eminent domain to do it.

Here's something I don't get. City attorney John Ottaviano said on WLVL the other day that they want to put office space in and storefronts on the bottom. Isn't there enough vacant in the city that they shouldn't have to steal private property to do it?

Ulrich is going after IDA breaks cause no one wants to move in (so he says) ... so who is it that's looking for storefronts? And as for office space ... what about Granchelli's vacant building at Main and Locust. If there were a need, it'd be filled.

Show me the need to take that building. Cause I just don't see it.

jspeer · Guru

The city won't grandfather Elmer's building otherwise it would be rented. They want him to put a lot of money into safety features. I'm not taking anyones side in this one.

Scott Leffler · Guru

I didn't know that, Joe.

Are these city or state laws that Elmer wants to be shielded from?

If they're city laws, I say we strike 'em and grandfather everyone.

If they're state laws, well ... that's more complicated.

Gorgeous building, though.

kspeer · Senior Member

It's mostly fire code stuff, so whoever is in charge of that.

shughes · Senior Member

Scott Leffler wrote:

Here's something I don't get. City attorney John Ottaviano said on WLVL the other day that they want to put office space in and storefronts on the bottom.

Are we still talking about UPT? It doesn't have any store fronts. Starting left to right as you look at the building is outside community areas, offices, front door, community room and apartments. Has this building been remodeled to change that?

Wad963 · Member

Ok for starters, I have been inside this building many times. The people in it are primarily recipents of SSI not welfare. I minor distinction, but few are the elderly that the building was designed for. The same transformation in occuring in other traditional elderly residences(willow gardens, Autumn gardens). The problem is that SSI recipients are getting it because they have a major problem(alchohol and drugs, mental problems or physical problems). Now I don't want to be so callous as to say just get rid of them, other plans would need to be made for transferring them to other housing but Main st. is no place for them. I for one, would never consider putting a business in Ulrichs development at least on the Main st side because the people living in and hanging out in front of UPT are a detriment to business. UPT is the biggest obstacle to downtown development and growth. I should be torn down or rehabed. Put a brick facade on the front with cornices and maybe even gargoyles to give it an old time look. Then make it higher end apartments or condos or a hotel or combination thereof.

Anyone who has never been in the building and met the people should probably reserve judgement on how they should be allowed to stay on Main st. Your political correctness will kill downtown and cause all the investment and new building to fail.

Date: Sun Nov 6 7:51 PM, 2005

The politically correct are going to be all over you soon Wad963! i.e.: "What if you were poor","what if you had a disability". We all feel sorry for them and are thankful for what we have believe me, but the center of downtown Lockport is not the place for them. If you, the politically correct, had compassion for these people you would see that this location is not convenient for any of them, no supermarket and a very busy street for the disabled to try and negotiate. One of them on a Lark scooter was killed 2 years ago by a car! Have you ever walked by and see the people that loiter all over downtown? The shopping cart pushers, the returnable can in the garbage seekers and the bench sleepers. All great for business and tourism! Wait until the Ulrich center opens, where are these people going to go?? They are bored with nothing to do downtown; they need to be moved to an area with supermarket access and near a park.

Mindcrime · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

If you, the politically correct, had compassion for these people you would see that this location is not convenient for any of them, no supermarket and a very busy street for the disabled to try and negotiate...They are bored with nothing to do downtown; they need to be moved to an area with supermarket access and near a park.

So you're saying they should live right on Transit Rd.? That's where all the shopping is. Wait 'til they try to scoot across that street...